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Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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New LG's commercial line (Hospitality) is mostly a smart TV with no apps visible (no option to launch it). They just disable apps on the cheaper version.

My non-smart LG commercial TV has an Ethernet port. As a curious person, I connected to the network. It started pinging LG servers. I was able to launch Youtube on the TV from the network. Once the app is open, I could use remote to control it.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#112

Yes! I’ve bought many for my old work as we don’t allow smart tvs. I bought the Panasonics and never had any issues. https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-video-solutions/profession... Im sure there are other companies. Im on my phone so can’t research. Look for “digital displays” instead of tv. Good luck!

I know them as 'digital signage' or 'hospitality tvs' and they do work for their intended use. But they're usually a lot more expensive than their consumer counterparts? My guess is they are either heavily subsidized and/or built to be powered ON 24/7?

Perhaps the use case, companies are willing to shell out more than a price concious individual.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#113

Yes! I’ve bought many for my old work as we don’t allow smart tvs. I bought the Panasonics and never had any issues. https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-video-solutions/profession... Im sure there are other companies. Im on my phone so can’t research. Look for “digital displays” instead of tv. Good luck!

I know them as 'digital signage' or 'hospitality tvs' and they do work for their intended use. But they're usually a lot more expensive than their consumer counterparts? My guess is they are either heavily subsidized and/or built to be powered ON 24/7?

The MFG make more money on selling ads to you than you pay for the TV.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another option if you have good control over your router is to put the TV and other smart devices on a special subnet or vlan and only occasionally give it internet access for updates, etc. Maybe there's a good DNS-based ad blocker you could run on its vlan and nuke all of its ad and spy traffic too. This actually seems like a good market opportunity for yet another home device, a router with aggressive spyware and a…

These products are designed not to rely upon DNS to serve the ad content, though.

If true, this is an excellent chance for white hat flooding.

Knock, and keep that ip offline. With no way to change locationation(DNS), their little ad sceme won't work.

Even better if it makes companies shy about using such methods.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#115

I want a dumb tv but with one smart feature: the ability to download software emulations of these terrible hdmi sticks so I don’t have to spend $35+ on each one. Imagine a tv with no ports but the ability to pull the souls of these roku, fire, google tv, apple tv and probably a microsoft one soon. I want the tv to manage all of my bluetooth connections and hot swap to the appropriate “OS” when i reach for each blueto…

plex

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#116
I bought a low end RCA 4K tv from Wal-Mart at the start of the pandemic that has no smart features. It does have a USB port but doesn't appear to be able to do anything with it. There's nothing online. The on screen menus are sluggish but if you don't change settings often, that's not much of an issue.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#117
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will work for now, but device manufacturers are working towards building out mesh networks. You may not have connected your TV to the internet, but your neighbor did, and your TV can piggy back on your neighbors connection.

Then we burn the wireless card

Which violates the warranty. And if the TV can’t phone home it can just refuse to boot. So you need to root and modify firmware too.

The answer is not giving these companies money.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

> (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still) Wow you get ads even when you never connected it to the internet? That's really user hostile design. If I get a tv it'll be LG anyway because they do real OLED, not that Qled stuff that Samsung does.

Try using NextDNS on your tv. They have a preset list for Samsung that used to block the ads.

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

#119

Yes! I’ve bought many for my old work as we don’t allow smart tvs. I bought the Panasonics and never had any issues. https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-video-solutions/profession... Im sure there are other companies. Im on my phone so can’t research. Look for “digital displays” instead of tv. Good luck!

I know them as 'digital signage' or 'hospitality tvs' and they do work for their intended use. But they're usually a lot more expensive than their consumer counterparts? My guess is they are either heavily subsidized and/or built to be powered ON 24/7?

Samsung 4k UHD business display (only an example, YMMV): https://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/pro-tv/be-serie...

Re: Ask HN: Is there a TV on the market without “Smart TV” features?

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post #4

I’ve kept my Samsung offline since I purchased it in 2019. I’ve kept my LG offline since I purchased it in 2016. As long as you have an AppleTV or similar connected to service your need for “smarts” it won’t be hard to leave the TV offline. (I recommend LG over Samsung - Samsung TV has native undismissable ads from 2019 still)

If you go this route, you will want to stick to older technology for audio and content peripherals. Otherwise you will have to connect it to the internet for bugfixes. For example, imagine you want to keep a smart TV offline but you also want the latest greatest eARC features over HDMI 2.1; or you want that new Dolby tech to work with your PlayStation 5. That's stuff that came out in the last couple years. Assume it…

If I faced this dilemma, I’d just turn on my phone’s hotspot, give the credentials to the TV, then turn off the hotspot after it’s updated.
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