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Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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It’s frustrating when someone says “oh don’t worry about this legalese” when it suits them. When the tables are turned, they have no problem using every inch of that legalese against you and to protect themselves. If it doesn’t matter, don’t include it in the contract.

This is the way.

The contract is always binding.

I always immediately treat anyone who says "don't worry about (something in the contract)" as somewhere between suspicious and hostile.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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> it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well Others have said this, but just to reiterate : this is quite wrong. This is like saying that because you hold Amazon stock via a Schwab brokerage account, if Schwab were to declare bankruptcy, then you would lose your Amazon stock. Needless to say that wouldn't happen because you are the owner of the stock, not Schwab. FDIC…

You might wanna check the fine print on your Schwab brokerage account.

Not sure what you are insinuating but the Schwab fine print definitely says that the customer assets are not Schwabs (because that's the rules of the regulatory environment they work in). No court in the US would would use customer shares to settle Schwab debt.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

I do wonder why he's allowed to say on Twitter there is no risk of bankruptcy [0]. While the risk could be minimal and maybe negligible saying "no risk" means zero chance. That can't be true of any company. For a public company ceo to say that, isn't that securities fraud? I guess even if it is fraud and they do get prosecuted by the SEC they'd just get fined for it. And maybe the fine here would be much less than th…

There are all kinds of way out of this in case he would get sued: he could say that with 'there is no risk', he just meant shorthand for 'there is no more than a negligible risk'. Or he could say that with 'there is no risk' he was merely expressing his strong personal opinion based on the vision and faith he had in his company.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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It's just bitcoin I'm storing, is that one I've linked to above a non-custodial wallet or a custodial wallet?

A custodial wallet. The original custodial wallet, in fact.

The correct term is non-custodial.

A custodial wallet means someone else holds your keys, but a non-custodial wallet lets you hold them yourself (which Bitcoin Core does).

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

> Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. Is Coinbase "loaning" out the Bitcoin users have deposited in it? The reason banks need the FDIC is that they loan your deposits out instead of throwing it in a vault and sitting on it, so if they go under they don'…

deleted erroneous comment about shorting on Coinbase.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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post #106

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A. speculation B. diversification against more tradional assets C. store of value if you don’t have access to any better financial instruments D. keeping some ready on hand to pay off ransomware attacks

All except maybe D also apply to Pokemon cards

And to stocks, real estate, gold, ...

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

FDIC insurance is for banks, not brokers. I think what protects you from a broker going bust is the separation of client money from firm money. Though I think that separation failed in the most recent major broker bankruptcy (MF Global) and probably many others. FDIC would protect the broker against its own bank going bust (though I am sure there are guarantee caps).

All client assets were returned during the MF Global bankruptcy.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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not so mind boggling, if you regard it as any other company. Say you ordered a pair of jeans from Sears, via the catalog. And unfortunately your cash transfer cleared on the day they went bankrupt. They owe you a pair of pants, or your money back if they cannot deliver the product you ordered. They also owe their employees money, if they have not issued payroll yet for that month. They also owe their bondholders mone…

What if you received your pants, but they were defective so you sent them back to be repaired? Do you then lose them during bankruptcy, and they get auctioned off?

> you sent them back to be repaired

You will probably get them back, but that is far from guaranteed [1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/23/news/if-a-shop-closes-wit...

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

#270

Remind me what is the point of holding cryptocurrency again?

Having a Coinbase account with funds on it is not holding crypto-currency. Everyone who knows anything has been saying since before Coinbase was around "not your keys, not your coins." If you use an uninsured bank as your vector for understanding the benefits of cryptocurrency you're bound to stay confused and continue making non-arguments dependent on poor price performance of the asset you irrationally despise because despite your technical background you still missed out on it.
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