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Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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post #106

Remind me what is the point of holding cryptocurrency again?

A. speculation B. diversification against more tradional assets C. store of value if you don’t have access to any better financial instruments D. keeping some ready on hand to pay off ransomware attacks

All except maybe D also apply to Pokemon cards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He probably has a disclaimer somewhere saying his tweets are "not forward looking statements" so he is only saying that as of right now in this moment there is no risk of bankruptcy

I wouldn't be sure what the man on the clapham omnibus thinks of that kind of disclaimer. He'd be exposing himself to considerable risk by relying on it

The last time I was on a Clapham omnibus, there was an old chap in the back seats in the process of taking his trousers off

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post #100

I feel like saying "We have no risk of bankruptcy" is the same as Musk saying "Funding secured" on Twitter. The statement is provably false and will directly impact stock price.

How are you going to prove that there is a risk of bankruptcy today if the company doesn't go bankrupt today? How are you going to prove that the phone calls and meeting with the Saudis didn't include funding commitments from the Saudis? I'm not suggesting that these CEOs are 100% honest at all times, I'm sure they are not, but you need actual proof for fraud to have bet committed.

Well, it's objectively true that any company can go bankrupt.

And an easy scenario to picture for Coinbase would be if crypto assets all dropped 90% or more in value in a short span of time, and went the way of the beanie baby. Is it a high probability? No, but at least a few percent chance.

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stocks in brokerages are safe in part because the SIPC exists. Being a priority creditor doesn’t help if, say, someone siphoned off all the Bitcoin.

SIPC is just the framework. The primary thing is that customer assets are held in custodian accounts and not intermingled with the brokerage assets themselves. This is different than a bank which can lose your money if it does go bankrupt - it's just that FDIC steps in and makes whole the customers that qualify for the insurance (and pays out to other customers above the limits first before other creditors).

No, the SIPC, like the FDIC, can step in and make people whole if assets go missing. FDIC's for deposit accounts, SIPC is the equivalent for brokerage assets.

https://www.sipc.org/about-sipc/sipc-mission

"SIPC oversees the liquidation of member firms that close when the firm is bankrupt or in financial trouble, and customer assets are missing."

In Coinbase's case, holding in a custodian account doesn't save them if the Bitcoin in it gets sent to an attacker's wallet. They're just gone, and neither the SIPC nor FDIC cover that asset class.

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It’s amusing for someone who works in finance to see the crypto market re-doing the last century of financial scandals and regulations in fast forward. Discovering capital gain taxes, market manipulations, the necessity to separate firm money from client money for brokers…

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post #2

Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

Yes, if they definitely won't go bankrupt that means the insurance will be extremely cheap! If this insurance isn't cheap then that means there is a reasonable chance they could go bankrupt. In my opinion all it takes is one insider taking a copy of everyone's private keys and they are toast. I would advise to not put all your eggs in one basket.

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Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…

> Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured,

The Fortune article in the HN link is writing only about the crypto assets, which lack FDIC insurance. Cash assets are FDIC insured.

From Coinbase: "To the extent U.S. customer funds are held as cash, they are maintained in pooled custodial accounts at one or more banks insured by the FDIC."

https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/other-topics/legal-pol...

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Can anyone tell me how to set up a wallet on my Mac in order to get my coins off coinbase. Is there any clear guide on how to do that. Every link on Google seems to be spam or downloading potentially malicious software. It's very fustrating because so many people seem to know how to set up a wallet on their computer/Mac however I cannot for the life of me find a clear wallet to download and move my funds to or a guid…

If you only hold bitcoin that wallet would work, another popular one is electrum. If you want to store multiple coins in one application then Exodus or Atomic would be two good choices. You're looking for a non-custodial wallet and as always, protect your keys to protect your coins, you are the bank at this point.

Re: Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured Coinbase Pro is FDIC insured, makes one wonder why Coinbase itself isn't. https://pro.coinbase.com/?1416

“All USD balances are covered by FDIC insurance”; most people aren’t using them as a USD bank account. Crypto assets aren’t covered by this.

> most people aren’t using them as a USD bank account. Crypto assets aren’t covered by this.

There are lots of people who keep USD there with open flash crash orders. Of course if Coinbase fails, the prices may basically flash crash to zero and your orders will be filled, and then you are no longer FDIC insured.

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