Remind me what is the point of holding cryptocurrency again?
A. speculation B. diversification against more tradional assets C. store of value if you don’t have access to any better financial instruments D. keeping some ready on hand to pay off ransomware attacks
Coinbase warns that bankruptcy could wipe out user funds
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#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
He probably has a disclaimer somewhere saying his tweets are "not forward looking statements" so he is only saying that as of right now in this moment there is no risk of bankruptcy
I wouldn't be sure what the man on the clapham omnibus thinks of that kind of disclaimer. He'd be exposing himself to considerable risk by relying on it
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#173I feel like saying "We have no risk of bankruptcy" is the same as Musk saying "Funding secured" on Twitter. The statement is provably false and will directly impact stock price.
How are you going to prove that there is a risk of bankruptcy today if the company doesn't go bankrupt today? How are you going to prove that the phone calls and meeting with the Saudis didn't include funding commitments from the Saudis? I'm not suggesting that these CEOs are 100% honest at all times, I'm sure they are not, but you need actual proof for fraud to have bet committed.
And an easy scenario to picture for Coinbase would be if crypto assets all dropped 90% or more in value in a short span of time, and went the way of the beanie baby. Is it a high probability? No, but at least a few percent chance.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Stocks in brokerages are safe in part because the SIPC exists. Being a priority creditor doesn’t help if, say, someone siphoned off all the Bitcoin.
SIPC is just the framework. The primary thing is that customer assets are held in custodian accounts and not intermingled with the brokerage assets themselves. This is different than a bank which can lose your money if it does go bankrupt - it's just that FDIC steps in and makes whole the customers that qualify for the insurance (and pays out to other customers above the limits first before other creditors).
https://www.sipc.org/about-sipc/sipc-mission
"SIPC oversees the liquidation of member firms that close when the firm is bankrupt or in financial trouble, and customer assets are missing."
In Coinbase's case, holding in a custodian account doesn't save them if the Bitcoin in it gets sent to an attacker's wallet. They're just gone, and neither the SIPC nor FDIC cover that asset class.
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#176Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…
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#177Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured, it makes sense that if coinbase goes bankrupt, the customer currencies will go away as well. And they aren’t SPIC insured in the situations where crypto is a security. It’s funny to see people shocked (SHOCKED!) when crypto doesn’t have the protections of regular banking and investments. That’s why you don’t invest with stuff that isn’t insured. Those aren’t real rates, they are ris…
The Fortune article in the HN link is writing only about the crypto assets, which lack FDIC insurance. Cash assets are FDIC insured.
From Coinbase: "To the extent U.S. customer funds are held as cash, they are maintained in pooled custodial accounts at one or more banks insured by the FDIC."
https://help.coinbase.com/en/coinbase/other-topics/legal-pol...
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#178Can anyone tell me how to set up a wallet on my Mac in order to get my coins off coinbase. Is there any clear guide on how to do that. Every link on Google seems to be spam or downloading potentially malicious software. It's very fustrating because so many people seem to know how to set up a wallet on their computer/Mac however I cannot for the life of me find a clear wallet to download and move my funds to or a guid…
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#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Since coinbase isn’t FDIC insured Coinbase Pro is FDIC insured, makes one wonder why Coinbase itself isn't. https://pro.coinbase.com/?1416
“All USD balances are covered by FDIC insurance”; most people aren’t using them as a USD bank account. Crypto assets aren’t covered by this.
There are lots of people who keep USD there with open flash crash orders. Of course if Coinbase fails, the prices may basically flash crash to zero and your orders will be filled, and then you are no longer FDIC insured.