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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #299
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #212

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well they're newer than Television if you're talking about effective birth control and family planning. And I mean effectiveness has risen since the first invention of the pill to where you really can control and plan things pretty well.

And Family Planning is as old as old as the Hills if you're talking about marriage as a technology to provide a stable household for children

well I mean that is not normally what one is talking about when using the phrase family planning in the modern era.

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Post by giantg2 »

DeathArrow wrote: post #338
mountainriver wrote: post #296

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Yes, opportunity is a belief, in reality there are plenty of opportunities, it takes imagination and hope

It takes imagination and determination. Finding the windows when the doors are closed. Not giving up on failures.

Unless you're locked in a room with no doors or windows.

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Post by secondcoming »

ryan93 wrote: post #78
sandworm101 wrote: post #6

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Maybe for those men lucky enough to have families. A growing issue is the large percentage of men who do not and will likely never have families to ever take care of. If we think deadbeat dads unstable, the incel community is a madhouse.

incels commit almost no violence against women compared to men in relationships

How does violence in hetero relationships compare to those of same-sex relationships?

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Post by throwaway894345 »

camgunz wrote: post #388
poszlem wrote: post #17

Rob Henderson also coined the term "luxury beliefs" which is one of the most apt name for something we've been witnessing lately ("defund the police" or "healthy at every size" or "marriage is just an oppressive institution of the patriarchy"). I highly recommend that other essay too https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/luxury-beliefs-are-the-latest-...

"luxury beliefs" feels to me like the right found a way to say "privilege" without actually saying it, haha.

This isn’t the burn you intend. Henderson is talking about wealth/status privilege while the left uses “privilege” as a shorthand for racial or gender privilege. Henderson is clearly not ceding that point here (implicitly or otherwise).

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Post by treis »

sandworm101 wrote: post #119
rayiner wrote: post #74

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It’s not a matter of luck—men in my dad’s village in Bangladesh start families, have kids, and live relatively happy lives in poverty even most poor Americans could not comprehend. I don’t think it’s fair to call all these guys incels. As the article observes, most just have no expectations placed on them, and also have no way of attaining dignity and social worth through the avenues in life reasonably available to t…

It is sunday morning. I'm at work (military). Part of that job is checking in with people at a half-dozen other locations who are also at work on a sunday morning. they just happen to all be hetero guys, which is not unusual in the military no matter the day. So I asked in our chat whether they had wives/girlfriends at home today. "No." "Nope." "My car is my GF" and "Rocking a peppi shirt under my uniform". These are…

Peppi shirt?

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Post by paulryanrogers »

I doubt the upper class consciously tries to keep the lower classes stuck in poverty.

There are so many factors here the article doesn't touch on. Such as men's biological desire to maximize sexual partners, women's biological desire to maximize quality of and support for offspring, and cultural variation of expectations among all classes.

In my circle most of us were raised by parents in unhappy marriages. (Often for religious reasons.) The few happy marriages appeared surreal like some fake Hollywood production. So the same norms that keep families 'intact' can have a lot of unhealthily effects.

There's also less of a ramp or ladder for men who do want to support the family to commit to such an obligation confidently.

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Post by VLM »

coryrc wrote: post #353
kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #284

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I think it actually means redefining success. Today, success means having disposable income, but that's not the success that children need. They need stable households, and that can be obtained even with low paying jobs, though obviously it's easier with high paying jobs. But it's impossible if the will to work isn't there, and the only way to get that will is to instill a good work ethic and proper, family-oriented…

> that can be obtained even with low paying jobs Minimum wage workers can't afford rent anywhere in America. There's no stability to be found for low-paid workers. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/homes/rent-affordability-mini...

Its innumeracy propaganda.

There are no minimum wage jobs where I live anymore, and I live in a lower cost of living area (not Manhattan or silicon valley, LOL). I'm not surprised no one can afford rent at $7/hr when no one can find a job paying $7/hr. Costco has a sign up paying $19/hr to empty trash cans and they can't hire people at that low of pay and the article claims its a tragedy that a middle tier single bedroom would take $21 as a nationwide average; although I live in a lower cost of living area.

The government "Fair Market Rent" is sort of median quality housing. If the goal is to demand that even people at the literal bottom of the barrel of income in the 0-th percentile live in 50th percentile housing, then who will live in the 0th to 50th percentile of housing. A goal of having the lowest percentile in any group meet median achievements is inherently impossible.

There does not seem to be any actionable plan proposed; to me its obvious that raising the legal minimum wage from $7 to perhaps $8 will not improve anything if the absolute bottom of the barrel of jobs in low paying areas is already $19/hr AND there is no supply so there are unfilled jobs. Another obvious proposal is building more housing to crash the price, and the ownership class is not going to tolerate that behavior LOL.

As a thought experiment, if the living conditions are indeed unlivable as the guilt inducing article proposes, fine, lets run with that theory that its true nobody can live that way, then how are so many people living that way?

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Post by xyzzyz »

coryrc wrote: post #381
xyzzyz wrote: post #287

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Stopping mass illegal immigration that undercuts native workers, and pushes up living costs, especially housing.

There were fewer deportations per year under TFG than Obama. Not sure if you've checked what happened to living costs and housing during that administration, because they sure went up a lot.

The parent was asking about “policy proposals”. I imagine lack of success of President Trump in implementing his proposals has made many of his voters unhappy.

That said, if you don’t focus on deportations, but instead look at the entire picture, note that the total net illegal immigrant flow was significantly lower during President Trump than it was during President Obama, and has jumped through the roof as soon as President Biden took over.

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Post by bombcar »

etherael wrote: post #345
bombcar wrote: post #162

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Liberals and conservatives agree on the basics and disagree on the scope - which is why conservatives are always defending the so-called “liberal” policies of a generation ago. Admitting the base and vulgar nature of humans puts the whole concept of a liberal democracy at risk.

If it's admitting the truth, then it should be at risk. Anything else is just delaying the inevitable and not planning adequately for its arrival in the meantime.

We’re starting to see the seeds of this in various ways - an example is realizing that laws and penalties against speeding don’t really do anything, but changing the design of the road can do everything.

There are many, many more examples for us to find.

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Post by e2le »

Aunche wrote: post #308
ryan93 wrote: post #78

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incels commit almost no violence against women compared to men in relationships

IMO outrage about incels is just a socially acceptable way to bully. It's a way to find an excuse to express their superiority over others while masquerading it with concern over women's safety. You're never going to see someone mock a successful man who beats his wife.

It's confusing to me that it's socially acceptable these days to bully those who lack a sexual partner.
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