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No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Rob went to Yale. He's literally a luxury columnist.

Where did this idea come from that we cannot see what exists outside of ourselves and our experiences? I can empathise with people who are nothing like me. I can understand silly things that people like me do, and how they must look to people who are not like me. It is only infant humans that can’t understand that anything exists outside of themselves. Are we all infants?

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Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Defund the police blew up because certain communities' only experience of police is of being harassed, beaten and robbed. It's hardly an attitude that's dripping with privilege. The backlash, on the other hand...

I'm 100% sure you're not part of such a community. Neither am I, of course :) When polled, poor black people want more policing, despite also agreeing with much of the defunder critique. Knowing both options, they prefer flawed policing to being ruled by criminal gangs.

I’m affluent but grew up in an inner city. I NEVER had a positive experience with the police. Neutral was as good as it got.

Wanting more policing and wanting to defund the current system are not oppositional. I want more cops doing shit that matters and less of the current police department.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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It’s interesting to read these (plausible, far from absurd) analyses from the Anglosphere when we have an alternative to compare, to whit the northern European democracies where marriage is in steep decline across all social classes yet the societies are more successful (at least if your metrics are things like poverty rates, lifetimes, nutrition, stress, etc).

US thinkers have no idea what a social safety net is so they draw their conclusions without taking that option into account.

To think that the US has no social safety is also a common trope. Food stamps, medicaid, public & section 8 housing, SSDI, EI, etc. in combination with the unique opportunities allowed by American society to get back on your feet (low unemployment and barrier to entry). Americans in general have no idea how "humble" life can be for the European lower classes. Fun fact: Canada and the US have about the same homelessness rates on a per capita basis.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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US thinkers have no idea what a social safety net is so they draw their conclusions without taking that option into account.

"US thinkers" is a ridiculously broad term. There are plenty of Americans who think and know what a social safety net is. Some of them know about it because they read, some because they think, some because they've travelled, some because they've lived in countries with a stronger social safety net than the USA. What is true in the USA is that there are people who know what a social safety net is and are adamant that…

> "US thinkers" is a ridiculously broad term.

It's a pretty good generalization, however. I see it over and over again in US political discussions a total, and possibly (probably?) deliberate, blindness to the idea that health card could be socialized, UI and welfare could be better, access to education could be universal and things like job training or maternity leave could exist, etc.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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> when you have kids for no reason, they know they’re here for no reason, and it’s a formula for a disaffected person. That does not make any sense. Most older generations did not choose to have children (certainly not as much as we do) and it did not result in generations being "disaffected". If anything that's exactly the opposite - we are the generation when we have full control of who gets born and there's never…

> Most older generations did not choose to have children Birth control and family planning aren't a new invention.

Oh come on. That's 50 years ago, and I hope you know people who lived before then in your family.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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"The article is right on the mark talking about the importance of social expectations for men." Those only really work if the opportunities are there for the person to succeed. If you have no hope of success, then people just give up.

True. But people also just give up if they're constantly told that all the opportunities are gone, whether or not it's true. If you combine "there are no opportunities for me" with "there are no expectations for me", you get "I'll do nothing".

Yes, opportunity is a belief, in reality there are plenty of opportunities, it takes imagination and hope

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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Except that the US will look and operate more and more like wherever these people came from.

In 100 years or less, whites will be the minority in the US.

The fertility rate for minority ethnicities in the US has been declining rapidly to catch up to the decline curve for non Hispanic whites, so I’m not so sure this is true anymore. This is likely a combination of Westernization of younger minority generations (Hispanics specifically) and economic conditions broadly imho.

https://ifstudies.org/blog/baby-bust-fertility-is-declining-...

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

Great comment. I would just make a minor but relevant change, everybody is responsible here. "And creating a culture where men and women are told it’s okay not to do those things creates harm."

The article is specifically about men having children with women, then leaving the family by one means or another. While your inclusivity works in many places, the problem here is well defined as young men not striving for family stability.

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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> Most older generations did not choose to have children Birth control and family planning aren't a new invention.

well they're newer than Television if you're talking about effective birth control and family planning. And I mean effectiveness has risen since the first invention of the pill to where you really can control and plan things pretty well.

And Family Planning is as old as old as the Hills if you're talking about marriage as a technology to provide a stable household for children

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they are responding by doing nothing

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This is an important read, especially this part. > This highly educated and affluent person prioritized stability for her own children. But refused to publicly endorse this value so that less fortunate children could also benefit from family stability. I’m from a rigidly socially conservative immigrant family that professes fashionably liberal values in public—imposing a double standard between “us” and “Americans.”…

I’m from a middle class, conservative family in a poor country. Compared to my richer, status seeking classmates, I can handle myself a lot better socially and emotionally. I’m also disabled, that means the social divide is a lot tougher to crack. In fact, I get shot dirty looks by the same classmates. It’s not because They don’t like the fact I participate in my classes, it’s just that they don’t like the fact that…

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