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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

It is. Sonic in northern California. More places soon, but scaling out physical infrastructure build has its own learning curve and often larger lead times. :)

Please come to the Peninsula (with fiber, Millbrae). Tired of my only options being Comcast or VDSL at max 20mbps :/

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

The only purpose of 25 Gbit/s at home that I can genuinely see is "because I can".

Going above 1 Gbit/s can have (very limited) practical sense because you can hit that with e.g. Steam downloads, changing a 5 minute wait into a 3 minute wait. You can also basically stop caring about QoS on your uplink once you're at 1 Gbit/s with one human user, or anywhere past 1 Gbps with more than one human user.

For running cables, seriously consider fiber. The hardware isn't as expensive as it used to be, and it solves a lot of problems: You can (based on common sense, not sure of your building code) stick fiber in power conduits since its non conductive, you don't have to worry about potential differences etc., it's thinner (easier to hide/more wife-compatible) and once in place, you will be able to use the same fiber for higher speeds just by swapping the SFP's at the ends.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

What about 8K, 16K, etc video streaming? Not much content today but I expect them to become mainstream eventually.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

The only purpose of 25 Gbit/s at home that I can genuinely see is "because I can". Going above 1 Gbit/s can have (very limited) practical sense because you can hit that with e.g. Steam downloads, changing a 5 minute wait into a 3 minute wait. You can also basically stop caring about QoS on your uplink once you're at 1 Gbit/s with one human user, or anywhere past 1 Gbps with more than one human user. For running cable…

Yeah, Steam takes much longer "preallocating space" than actually downloading everything for me, so a faster line does not help much there.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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It is. Sonic in northern California. More places soon, but scaling out physical infrastructure build has its own learning curve and often larger lead times. :)

Please come to the Peninsula (with fiber, Millbrae). Tired of my only options being Comcast or VDSL at max 20mbps :/

I'm not sure the exact areas we're building and planning, but it's possible we're coming soon. As I understand it we hit most of the low hanging fruit in the bay area already (above ground infra, aka poles), so we're trying to use advancements in trenching and hitting some slightly less dense areas than we previously targeted to be able to serve new areas at the price point we've set.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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post #174

Firstly … 25Gbit symmetrical … WOW. Secondly - as a person living my whole life in IT - both passion and professionally - I have no idea what would 25Gbit be good for. I’m currently paying about $80 for symmetrical 1Gbit fiber and have the option to upgrade to 5Gbit for about $180 but it seems so pointless. Here is the reasoning behind my grumpy opinion: 1. Living in a home with Cat5 throughout so the best I can do i…

My initial grumpy reaction was the same. Then again a quarter century ago I probably would have thought: “Would I ever really need more than 56k? Takes only a few minutes to download all of Les Misérables during which I could read maybe 4 or 5 pages.”

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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My ethernet is also capped at 1 Gb/s for most of my computers. The 10 Gb/s connection is still useful as it makes sure that things running at different devices won't affect each other. Streaming won't affect games won't affect work-related video calls. It's great.

The last time i streamed 4K video while gaming on my PS4 during a work related video calls was just a couple days ago. Joke aside. I get your point, but how many people do you have to have on a single 1 Gbit line to saturdate it? Some things will get faster for sure (like downloading large files, if the other side is fast enough), but I feel like most of the time it's driving a Ferrari within a city.

> it's driving a Ferrari within a city.

Given that this article is about Zurich... that's a very apt analogy.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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The US has one of the fastest average internet speed in the world. It beats pretty much every other western country, with only Denmark and Monaco being ahead. https://www.speedtest.net/global-index#fixed

Umm.. no

You can also just check the source I've linked?

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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That’s not a reasonable comparison for Thailand food prices as food isn’t disposable income. World bank says GDP per capita PPP was 18,232$ in 2020 down from 19,233$ in 2019. Of course that’s not evenly distributed, but rural vs urban incomes mean costs are higher in cities than median income suggests. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locat... Where your number comes into play is for people pric…

GDP PPP per capita is an extraordinarily low quality metric. You end up with absurd examples where Botswana is comparable to China; Russia is comparable to Greece; Puerto Rico is comparable to Spain, ahead of Portugal, and just a bit lower than Japan; Kazakhstan is just a bit behind Latvia and Slovakia; Taiwan is far ahead of Finland, France, UK, New Zealand.

Both Nominal and PPP are out of whack if you are looking to learn about conditions on the ground. GDP measures the production of a certain country (and it's a very bad metric at that). Some countries are wealthy because its people make money from foreign sources. This is usually displayed by a high and chronic trade deficit.

That means you can have two countries with comparable GDP per-capita, where one of them have a more affluent population and able to pay higher prices.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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I live in the middle of nowhere USA. I'm about 1,000 feet off the road (that only random farms are on, about 20 miles from the small city we're near). My local ISP trenched fiber to my house for free and provides gig internet for $80/month. The funny thing is my previous house was in town and I had to settle for 100Mbit for the same price. ISPs are all sorts of messed up.

It’s all about what it costs to upgrade - if a rural ISP has to upgrade copper infrastructure for whatever reason they’ll fiber it. In the city it’s often just as easy to let what is working continue “working” - a major rollout takes a lot of money.

Yep engineering the new network, pulling permits, hiring the contractor, buying new equipment/lines all cost $$$$$$
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