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My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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That’s nice!! $40/mo? That does not sound like US price.

There's a 10 Gbit cable going in on my street for $60/month in Florida. Some interesting things happening in internet infrastructure these days.

I would love for this to happen on my street in Florida...

I think it's way too rural at this point however, given that I am technically in unincorporated area.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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Not convinced by the use case section. Very few servers will allow you a full 25gbit download, let alone anything more than a 1gbit (and often less). And if you own the server on the other end, that sort of bandwidth comes at a cost. I think beyond 1gbit, the benefit become super marginal and the hardware expensive.

Even where the ports are available, 25 Gbit from a single address is well into the realms of looking like attack traffic in a wide variety of scenarios. Past even 500 Mbit I'm way more interested in latency considerations than raw bandwidth, and practical matters like how to use that bandwidth from my laptop (good luck doing 500 mbit wireless reliably, never mind 25 Gbit!)

> good luck doing 500 mbit wireless reliably

Most routers and wifi adapters are crap. Buyers do rarely go beyond "wifi 5" or "wifi 6", and do not realize that there's much more.

The older Apple Macbook Pros (pre-2019) came with 3x3 MIMO ac adapters. If you had capable AP on the other side, you could reliably do gigabit with them. The newer ones have only 2x2 MIMO, just like the rest of the laptop market, so you will get only 600-700 Mbps (out of theoretical 866 Mbps).

If you are getting 500 Mbps and there's not a concrete wall between your client and the AP, something is quite wrong. Misconfigured AP, your client cannot do multiple streams (yes, there were adapters like that sold on the market), or just older/pre-ac AP or client.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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What's impressive to me here is not the capacity but the price for the capacity. At allegedly 777 CHF per year this is a steal so far removed from my reality it's obscene.

If you make the assumption that they are using 100G switches or line cards with 32 ports, those ports can be broken out to 128x 25G ports. That comes out to ~$100,000 USD in revenue per 1U per year. Not too shabby.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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There are consumer 10gbit switches now, though they are on the pricy side at around $400. I bought 3 of them for our datacenter and 2 of them broke within 2 years, so I definitely regret buying consumer grade for our operations but professional gear was ridiculously expensive then. Upgraded to ubiquity now, hopefully it's more reliable, though I guess it's on the prosumer side if you ask your average net admin.

Well, when I say consumer, I mean unmanaged and less than $100 for 4-8 ports. I assumed that when gigabit over UTP was formalized in 1999, I wouldn't have to wait a quarter century to upgrade, but here we are. And to be fair, gigabit still basically does what I need.

The power usage on 10GB copper is nuts so most of the cheapest switches come with SPF cages.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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The challenge with anything above a gig is the LAN. 10gig+ switches and SFP modules are expensive for consumers. So is the client hardware. We use thunderbolt 3 on our macs with ATTO Thunderlink to get 40Gbps locally and they’re kinda the only option and their hardware is bulky, expensive and their software sucks. Also config on Mac is awkward. There’s also some weirdness when you upgrade to that speed into a backbon…

I just upgraded some of my home network to 10 Gbps; it was way cheaper than I thought:

- 3 NICs with SPF+ at ~ $45 a piece

- 1 switch with 4 SFP+ and 1 RJ45@1Gbps: $140

- 1 switch with 2 SFP+ and 8 x RJ45@1Gbps: $100

- ~ $100 for all the DACs and AOCs

So I have the backbone and 3 computers @ 10 Gbps and a number of other devices left at 1 Gbps, all for $500. This is just because I have many devices connected and some longer optic cables instead of DACs, otherwise it would be just half of that. But yes, going to 25 Gbps is a different game, probably 5x the price or more.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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I live in a metro area in the US and thousands of homes in my community do not have land-based broadband options. The US incumbents have totally failed and it isn't because there's a lot of desert in the West and Alaska. I'm sick of this argument which doesn't explain why city dwellers in most places in America have the worst internet in the developed world.

I live in the middle of nowhere USA. I'm about 1,000 feet off the road (that only random farms are on, about 20 miles from the small city we're near). My local ISP trenched fiber to my house for free and provides gig internet for $80/month. The funny thing is my previous house was in town and I had to settle for 100Mbit for the same price. ISPs are all sorts of messed up.

It’s all about what it costs to upgrade - if a rural ISP has to upgrade copper infrastructure for whatever reason they’ll fiber it.

In the city it’s often just as easy to let what is working continue “working” - a major rollout takes a lot of money.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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What exactly about gis/satellite data required such an insane uplink?

I can think of two things. Large time series data for large areas with a lot of attributes like temperature or other atmospheric data or a huge amount of point clouds or comparable 3D Data.

SAR and multispectral imagery. It’s not difficult to work with when you’re only dealing a small and well defined regions, but the bandwidth and storage requirement definitely increase once you start doing daily global composites.

We’ve actually moved everything into a data center with a 1gb connection. The trade of being that we have several orders of magnitude more storage and computing capacity.

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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why stream on demand if we have the bandwidth to just send the whole video in the first 100ms? this might actually save power; instead of back & forth back & forth with the service, we can transmitnthe whole thing & be done, the server can now go serve other people.

Because then you have to cache the whole thing to disk, probably SSD, and increase the wear rate there unnecessarily...

SSD wear rate is not a concern

Re: My upgrade to 25 Gbit/s Fiber To The Home

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I'm really unsure as to whether it's worth investing whatsoever in consumer grade fiber connections. My speeds are advertised as 1Gbits down and 100Mbits up. On speed tests, I get much higher downloads (~1.5Gbits per second). This might be because it's not capped properly, and I live in a place that they're still building houses in (I imagine that our "box" is not yet saturated). However, I rarely max that speed out…

I think you can now put 800 gigabit per second today, via commercially available kit, down a single strand of fibre installed back in the early 1980s. Copper or radio connections just don’t seem like as worthwhile an investment to me. I’m not saying it makes sense to have an 800gbit connection to a residential property but from a longevity, cost per mile, use of less rare materials, reduced rf interference or whateve…

That’s the beauty of single mode fiber, you can use the same pair for something as slow as 10 Mbps to 800 Gbps. Makes a lot more sense from a data center perspective too, since you can continue to reuse the existing cable plant and just need to upgrade your NICs, transceivers, and switches.
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