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Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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There are very concerning patterns developing at the moment in the DEI space. DEI efforts, and often those leading them, are increasingly the most biased and close minded parts of the organization. Spreading selected stereotypes and often solving concerns about “discrimination” by being very biased and inequitable. For example at my last company a report showed that slightly fewer of a certain minority were promoted.…

This is why I'll be voting Republican

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Re: Hiring discrimination: a problem for men in female-dominated occupations

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There are very concerning patterns developing at the moment in the DEI space. DEI efforts, and often those leading them, are increasingly the most biased and close minded parts of the organization. Spreading selected stereotypes and often solving concerns about “discrimination” by being very biased and inequitable. For example at my last company a report showed that slightly fewer of a certain minority were promoted.…

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I'm not quite approaching 50 yet, but I am getting there. What I can tell you is that the reason for some older folk's views on new trends is not that they're generally behind times, it's that with more life experience you have seen trends come and go, and you're actually in a slightly better position to judge the baloney factor of novel things. That is not to say that this is _always_ the way things are, of course,…

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In my experience, I've always found it quite strange that HR and recruitment is a field that seems to me to be female dominated, at least in the part of the UK where I am, and I can't help but feel that the imbalance at this level of the process reflects who gets hired.

HR & recruiting are female dominated simply because hiring women in these roles is the easiest way for a company to get their diversity numbers up.

I'm really skeptical of this. Women as a percentage of the workforce in general isn't low, and just as some fields seem to attract a lot of men, some fields attract a lot of women. Even if you believe that societal pressure is part of this, that still means that by the time you're talking about "who applies to companies for X jobs" there's self-selection at play.

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In my experience, I've always found it quite strange that HR and recruitment is a field that seems to me to be female dominated, at least in the part of the UK where I am, and I can't help but feel that the imbalance at this level of the process reflects who gets hired.

HR & recruiting are female dominated simply because hiring women in these roles is the easiest way for a company to get their diversity numbers up.

Nah, that's not why.

Women, on the aggregate, like professions that are people-driven.

HR is that. Recruiting is that. Nursing is that. Programming isn't.

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Hear hear. If your conception of diversity doesn't include viewpoint diversity, you are operating within a prejudicial, small-minded, small-hearted, and regressive framework. If you belive the most salient details about a person can be read from their appearance, you are a bigot. This cuts every which way, but many want to pretend it's not true for their own biases. This includes seeing someone with blue hair and a p…

Genuinely asking: Is there a limit as to viewpoint diversity that should be tolerated in perceptions of diversity? eg. Should viewpoint diversity be extended to welcoming "women shouldn't have the right to vote" or "black people are not human beings"? If so, how does one value an opinion and also the opinion that some opinions are worth less than others?

A discussion around who should have a vote in a system is fair. If we forbid discussion 100+ years ago women would still not be allowed to vote.

Should kids have the right? Should some votes count for more than others? Should animals have a voting share? Should we have a free vote? Should women and/or men have the right to vote?

The original voting system only included landowners. You had to own land and be male to vote. Since this group paid the tariff taxes (income taxes do not exist at this point) they were the ones voting. Society has changed/taxes have changed, the one person one vote movement was won and will continue until a crisis.

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> rather than exercising their own agency There is no free will. Society implanting ideas about which jobs you are capable of succeeding at is an especially obvious case of this. Why do you think women are going into different fields?

On the whole, the weaker the gender roles in society the lower women's representation are in STEM [1]. I'm nearly 30 and there was ample messaging to try and get girls into technology when I was in elementary school decades ago. I disagree that society is implanting ideas in girls that they're not capable of succeeding in tech. This is a disparity that persists despite ample efforts to try and encourage girls to go i…

> I disagree that society is implanting ideas in girls that they're not capable of succeeding in tech.

Then why do you think girls are self selecting away from computer science? Unless you believe they are somehow biologically wired to enjoy tech less it has to be because they're receiving messaging that causes them to believe they will enjoy it less than other fields relative to boys, right? I guess from your link you're going for the "women are biologically wired to enjoy math based professions less" but I find that difficult to buy

> This is a disparity that persists despite ample efforts to try and encourage girls to go into tech.

I certainly agree with this, it's just not working. It's quite clear that we are trying very hard to message to girls that they can succeed, but for whatever reason it doesn't seem to be getting through convingly, since there's still such a huge disparity.

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>And who has benefitted It benefits the people who gain power and status by using virtues as a social weapon.

It also benefits those who rail against "cancel culture", diversity, and the like

If making a mistake benefits your enemies, your enemies can hardly be blamed.

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Anecdotally, the hard engineering fields (e.g., mechanical, civil, etc.) are much more tolerant about age and more receptive to the benefits and tradeoffs of both youth and, erm.., "experience" (said tongue-in-cheek because age does not necessarily equate to experience)

Sounds believable, but how many people successfully transition into those?

It depends on what you mean by "transition".

It's probably hard to transition from a software engineer to a licensed structural engineer or the like.

But it's much easier to transfer into a software or software-adjacent role related to the field. Those fields have lots of opportunity for controls engineers, or data acquisition system developers, or data scientists, or even developing home-grown applications. The flip side is a lot of bad software practices are tolerated because those running the show just don't know better or don't care because it's not in their wheelhouse.

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Would be interesting to compare this across areas. My impression is that eg Finance (another popular destination for mid-career switches) is far more open in that regard. Experience, even if it's in a different field (as long as it's a technical role or one that will give you a rich set of contacts) seems to generally confer seniority. Would be interesting if someone could weigh in.

Anecdotally, the hard engineering fields (e.g., mechanical, civil, etc.) are much more tolerant about age and more receptive to the benefits and tradeoffs of both youth and, erm.., "experience" (said tongue-in-cheek because age does not necessarily equate to experience)

what about someone in his/her 40s with no previous experience in the field?
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