There is no zenith. Own your life. Get out of your head. Everything you've done up to this point has only been a prelude to whatever you choose to do next. If you choose to see those years as your zenith and stop doing anything, that's on you, it's not because you've supposedly reached some mythical temporal horizon. You've accrued experiences, skills, wisdom, perspective, understanding, relationships, and resources.…
> Our culture unfortunately worships youth Yes. This cult burns everything around it. The word 'wisdom' is rarely uttered, and even sounds ancient.
Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost
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#352I don’t think they can solve these problems for people, but a general interest and survey of works in that direction should be completed by the mid-20s as a pre-requisite to avoiding existential despair.
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#353You have to re-evaluate how you measure your self-worth. When all you have done in your life is climbing some imaginary „ladders“ to „success“, then suddenly you will feel empty, if you have no other ladder to climb on. And why do you think you have hit your zenith? Because you will not be able to redo the success that you have had and climb another ladder? But who have said that you should? Beware, NO wonder pill or…
The OP's entire self identity is wrapped up in their career - which explains, also, their great success. It's a common ailment in high pressure, high money industries, and especially common in tech. And now, the inevitable existential crisis when that is over - what now? They spent 20-30 years doing nothing but focusing on their job, and tying their self-worth to external validation.
I think what a therapist would say is to focus on yourself rather than extrinsic rewards. You need to learn to be happy with yourself and not rely on validation of others or society to do that for you. Finding a hobby that gives you a lot of personal satisfaction is one approach.
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#354A lot of comments have said "stay in therapy" or "quit therapy", but my immediate reaction is that maybe you have the wrong (ineffective) therapist and need to switch . My spidey sense went up when you mentioned what "you told your therapist", full stop. I was at least expecting "what my therapist responded" or "what my therapist told me that didn't work". That really (spidey sense, no evidence really) implies that y…
I recommend you start with a professional that works with `Cognitive Therapy` (from what I've heard it's one of the more recent therapies and its practices are based on evidences -- that's not the case for all therapies out there).
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#355I'm 42, and felt very similarly, particularly after changing jobs with a nearly 100% increase in pay. I make a lot of money, especially for my COL area. I have a nice house, nice cars, kids are doing well. I felt a strong sense of something missing, and thought about talking to a therapist. I wasn't sure how to fill the hole. Began thinking about social work I could get into (doing something about poverty, equality, homelessness is high on my list of values), but haven't taken that step.
Then, I got a cancer diagnosis. It sounds cliche, but everything changed immediately. What I thought I valued was so wrong. I was so focused on the future; of being a grandparent, traveling, doing something as a volunteer...and then, WHAM.
Suddenly, this is what mattered:
Doing the dishes. Driving around town. Feeding my dogs. Walking outside on a nice day.
I reached out to a therapist, against every bit of my nature. I always felt like I could handle anything mentally, but I just couldn't anymore. She has been immensely helpful, and given me mental tools (again, sounds cliche, but believe me - great) for dealing with things I was hitting a wall with. We talked about my change in perspective. Talked about living more in the moment, or at least, that was my take-away. Since then, I have been shifting my focus to the present any time I find myself ruminating on the past or future too much. Thinking about those things is pretty pointless. Of course, I don't make reflexive, bad decisions about the future, I just stopped constantly thinking about being able to retire, where I would live, what my kids' futures looked like (that probably sounds bad, but they're adults - their futures are theirs to make now), political bullshit of the day...
tl;dr: Focus on the present. Find out what really matters to you.
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#356That’s just the way we are.
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Honestly depressed people can't get shit done as you do, I live with somebody with it and they can't wake up, have a business or deal with commitments as you've done, to me it seems you are mostly sad because you want to always be on a peak, winning, sort of like a cocaine addict, hence my earlier comment about addiction This isn't true, depression has a pretty wide spectrum, and some depressed people are fairly hi…
Are you a psychiatrist?
You don't need to be a psychiatrist to know that depression doesn't always surface in the way you described.
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#358Go travel with the wife, go do a hobby with your hands, create a brick and mortar business or nonprofit that you are passionate about and is not fueled by profit.
Life isn’t just about working, do you still have a deep connection with your significant other? If not, how do you repair that rift that you created by pouring all your blood, sweat and tears into your work life?
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#359A lot of comments have said "stay in therapy" or "quit therapy", but my immediate reaction is that maybe you have the wrong (ineffective) therapist and need to switch . My spidey sense went up when you mentioned what "you told your therapist", full stop. I was at least expecting "what my therapist responded" or "what my therapist told me that didn't work". That really (spidey sense, no evidence really) implies that y…
With that said, I think it also helps to diversify your portfolio of meaning. Sounds like you identify "summit" and "zenith" as the latest happenings in your career, but depending on the season of your life, there will always be different ups and downs.
Found this article useful: https://every.to/superorganizers/against-ikigai
Re: Tell HN: Turned 44 today and I'm lost
#360A lot of comments have said "stay in therapy" or "quit therapy", but my immediate reaction is that maybe you have the wrong (ineffective) therapist and need to switch . My spidey sense went up when you mentioned what "you told your therapist", full stop. I was at least expecting "what my therapist responded" or "what my therapist told me that didn't work". That really (spidey sense, no evidence really) implies that y…
The problem with therapists is that they never say what they are doing, what approach they are taking or what techniques they are applying. This makes them less trustworthy, imho.