Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

restofworld.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 199 posts

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#71

Post by somewhereoutth »

ars wrote: post #48
hedgehog wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a citation for that? The data I'be seen suggests no reduction in severity due to previous infection.

"Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death than primary infections. Four reinfections were severe enough to lead to acute care hospitalization. None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2108120 It was literally the first hit on google. And it's well known that infection is much more protective than vaccination (although r…

No, infection is not more protective than vaccination. Vaccination is much more consistent than infection - not least because the vaccine is not packaged with immune suppressing elements.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#72

Post by cryptica »

savant_penguin wrote: post #70
cryptica wrote: post #62

This shows the fragility of big cities. People who live in a big city are highly dependent on the government and the economy. Cities don't produce much food themselves so it has to be brought in from other parts of the country every day. Shanghai has 24 million people; it's difficult to conceptualize how much food is required to sustain so many people. I find big cities terrifying. What if there is a food shortage or…

If anything it shows the fragility of having someone point a gun into your head forbidding you to go get food If for whatever other reason you'd live in a remote area and the government used force to stop you from getting food in whatever way, the exact same thing would happen, as it already did in Ukraine (holodomor hunger) where you have one of the most fertile grounds on the planet

If there was going to be a food shortage in a big city which could not be stopped... Would the government tell people that there is going to be a food shortage? IMO, they wouldn't because this would cause panic buying by some which would make it happen even faster. I think they would just use some other excuse and find ways to reduce average consumption to make people last as long as possible on the limited supply and hope that the situation improves.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#73

Post by peteradio »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #71
ars wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Reinfections had 90% lower odds of resulting in hospitalization or death than primary infections. Four reinfections were severe enough to lead to acute care hospitalization. None led to hospitalization in an ICU, and none ended in death." https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2108120 It was literally the first hit on google. And it's well known that infection is much more protective than vaccination (although r…

No, infection is not more protective than vaccination. Vaccination is much more consistent than infection - not least because the vaccine is not packaged with immune suppressing elements.

Consistency refers to the spread not the mean. For instance, you could have a vaccine performing uniformly poorly relative to a prior infection and that sure would be consistent.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#74

Post by vmception »

etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #12

I believe this will lead to anyone in China (Chinese or otherwise) to permanently leave the country if they are able.

Would the same standard apply if this happened to you or your neighbors in your country or would you just wait for better days?

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#75

Post by vmception »

miked85 wrote: post #14

I haven't seen yet why China is going into lockdown again. Is there a new variant?

We just have to accept that their covid zero policy actually worked for two years and their numbers were mostly accurate.

Now they arent working and the population has no exposure.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#76

Post by LAC-Tech »

bogomipz wrote: post #64
etaioinshrdlu wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the feeling that the public consciousness in the West may still be underestimating and excusing a dismal regime. Typically I hear, "but the CCP lifted a billion people out of poverty!"

I don't understand your comment, especially in relation to the OP's comment that you responding to. The West generally doesn't have a very high regard for the CCP or many of their policies. Your quote is attributable to the CCP I believe and I think more recently to Xi himself. Who do you hear that from exactly? The Chinese people lifted themselves out of poverty when the CCP abandoned some of Mao's more disastrous e…

No post body was provided.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#77

Post by vmception »

newhotelowner wrote: post #68

Elon musk complained about the California lockdown in 2020. Did he tweeted about China shutting down his factory in 2022 due to covid?

Why do you think someone should behave the same way in a single party system?

Support is achieved in different ways in different societies.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#78

Post by legulere »

ars wrote: post #43
JamisonM wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"COVID will spread until everyone gets it at least once" Unfortunately evidence seems to indicate that everyone getting once is also not very effective, the reinfection protection of past infection seems to be sub-20% from Omicron. You can find lots of studies with different numbers but none of them are good. China's behaviour with respect to vaccines is very strange, they could mandate vaccination very easily, they…

> the reinfection protection of past infection seems to be sub-20% from Omicron So then what? Lockdowns forever? Vaccines are even worse than natural immunity. But the truth is your numbers aren't accurate. Someone who had covid and is reinfected is unlikely to go to the hospital - and that's the only thing that matters. Yes, they will get Omicron, but that doesn't matter. Vaccine or natural immunity (and get both if…

So far I heard the other way around: A natural infection also always means an attack on the immune system by the virus. Also if you have a very light infection your body often doesn't create as many anti-bodies as with a vaccine.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#79

Post by curmudgeon22 »

reissbaker wrote: post #55
triyambakam wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have we been looking at different data? I don't see how any mRNA product has performed significantly better.

What are you talking about? A three-dose regimen of Pfizer or Moderna pitted against Omicron is 75% effective against infection and 88% effective against severe disease: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/by-the-numbers-covid-... Sinovac wasn't great against the original strain, but against Omicron, Sinovac is basically worthless. A two-dose regimen provides literally no benefit, and three doses is only equivalen…

These are rates per 100,000 for vaccinated, boosted and unvaccinated from Ontario (population 14 million). I don't see much benefit against infection to those with 2 or 3 mRNA doses.

The most recent datapoints (7 day average):

- Not fully vaccinated: 14.86 cases per 100,000 people

- Fully vaccinated: 17.39 cases per 100,000 people

- Vaccinated with booster: 26.89 cases per 100,000 people

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread#cas...

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

#80

Post by NicoJuicy »

If you're wondering.

Yes, it's the same variant.

Yes, they have a working vaccine ( just not a RMNA one), but with a ( bit) lower efficiency and the older population is less vaccinated.

China is currently in the weak position of not being able to contain a super contagious COVID virus, as they have propaganda'd their policy as superior to the western one for the last years.

Not implementing zero COVID policy would mean their tactic is not superior ( vs. Flatten the curve)

There are other, more minor, variables, but that seems to be the biggest one. Eg. Election next year, ...

Post reply on HN