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Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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There's no point in doing this, COVID will spread until everyone gets it at least once. You just want to slow it down not to overwhelm hospitals and that it's. And if you immunize everyone there's very few hospitalizations. Just make vaccines available - you don't even need to mandate them, most people will take them, and that's good enough.

Such pragmatism left the room in February 2020.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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post #8

There's no point in doing this, COVID will spread until everyone gets it at least once. You just want to slow it down not to overwhelm hospitals and that it's. And if you immunize everyone there's very few hospitalizations. Just make vaccines available - you don't even need to mandate them, most people will take them, and that's good enough.

Part of the problem is China's vaccine is substantially less effective than the mRNA ones. "Just make vaccines available" works less for them than it does in, say, the US.

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This is a good reminder that COVID isn't over. I am surprised to read there's guards at the front of people's neighborhoods though. I don't know how I feel about that.

COVID is pretty much over, lockdowns and mask mandates are being lifted around the free world. However authoritarian governments will likely continue to use it as a lame excuse for years to come.

It certainly isn't. Doubly vaccinated people are getting reinfected within a month. We just decided to roll the dice on the long term risks of such a disease.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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post #8

There's no point in doing this, COVID will spread until everyone gets it at least once. You just want to slow it down not to overwhelm hospitals and that it's. And if you immunize everyone there's very few hospitalizations. Just make vaccines available - you don't even need to mandate them, most people will take them, and that's good enough.

Part of the problem is China's vaccine is substantially less effective than the mRNA ones. "Just make vaccines available" works less for them than it does in, say, the US.

Another part of the problem is that China forbids Chinese citizens from getting foreign made vaccines. They’ve acquired them, but only allow foreigners to get them.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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I haven't seen yet why China is going into lockdown again. Is there a new variant?

The Sinovac vaccine isnt effective against recent variants, so it's 2020 all over again until mRNA tech becomes available. Also many older people aren't vaccinated.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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post #14

I haven't seen yet why China is going into lockdown again. Is there a new variant?

Supposing there were a new variant, or some new illness entirely, recent history suggests the CCP would sooner try to suppress it themselves than admit it publicly.

So... maybe.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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I believe this will lead to anyone in China (Chinese or otherwise) to permanently leave the country if they are able.

Currently you can't get out unless you have a business, student visa or permanent residence permit. The word is that tourist visa holders will be denied exit. Getting in is also very arduous.

Re: Trapped in lockdown, Shanghai residents turn to WeChat groups for food

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is pretty much over, lockdowns and mask mandates are being lifted around the free world. However authoritarian governments will likely continue to use it as a lame excuse for years to come.

China also has much less naturally acquired immunity than everywhere else, and (mysteriously) refuses to make that up with vaccines—it’s not just an excuse, unlike in those authoritarian countries where immunity has already been built up so a lockdown would make a much smaller difference.

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