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Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by yucky »

reducesuffering wrote: post #6
ncmncm wrote: post #3

But why specifically in Bucha? Is this about Russians being obliged to retreat, and committing atrocities on the way out? Or is this going on in other places Russians still hold, and we only found it about it in Bucha, specifically, because they are out? Can we expect similar revelations in each place they are forced out of?

The world isn't ready to understand what has happened in Mariupol. Like the other commenter said, it will be uncovered once Russian forces retreat, and is ten times the destruction.

The world isn't ready to understand that the Russians aren't going to retreat from Mariupol, that land bridge to Crimea through the important port of Mariupol was always the key point of the invasion.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by infamia »

jesterson wrote: post #8

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All credible and verified evidence points to your skepticism being badly misplaced. In this case, we have satellite photos of the Russians from March 10th through March 31st having dug a large at mass grave site. Reuters journalists later confirmed seeing dead civilians along the roads of Bucha, some with their hands tied behind their backs and bullet wounds to the head being shot at close range. After the Russian's original shock and awe failed, they have restored to their tried and true strategy to terrorize, demoralize, and depopulate key cities in Ukraine (a strategy they've used in multiple wars including this one), which is how the Russians are attempting to "profiteer" from mass civilian slaughter.

https://www.newsweek.com/bucha-massacre-images-show-mass-gra...

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by Gatsky »

jesterson wrote: post #8

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You do realise Russia caused this right? As in, there wouldn’t have been mass executions in Bucha if Russia hadn’t invaded. I don’t much care who did it (ignoring the obvious most likely culprit), the fact is Putin killed those people either once or twice removed.

Yes let’s have an independent investigation, call up Putin and ask him to withdraw from Ukraine and pause his attack, and submit DNA samples and verified identities of all his soldiers so the investigators can have a good look.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by wrp »

mediumsmart wrote: post #40

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Even if the points listed turn out to be all propaganda, this gives us specific names, dates, places, and actions to investigate. Can we please agree to have more like this and less ranting. The war is a terrible thing and I'm sure it makes some people feel better to vent, but I really want to understand what happened and most posts in threads about the war are just noise.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by reducesuffering »

mediumsmart wrote: post #44
Aretas77 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, personally, am very concerned about Mariupol, the Russians there are free to do whatever they want (torture, rape, etc..). As they are there for quite some time already, they also had time to cover up their wrongdoings which is even more concerning.

you should be concerned yes: https://rumble.com/vzj5jh-ukraine-mariupol-residents-speak-a...

You can stop your Russian propaganda op: https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1511067472803282950

Sad how you still haven't learned after Russia repeatedly lied to you about how it wasn't going to invade Ukraine.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by reducesuffering »

yucky wrote: post #61
reducesuffering wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world isn't ready to understand what has happened in Mariupol. Like the other commenter said, it will be uncovered once Russian forces retreat, and is ten times the destruction.

The world isn't ready to understand that the Russians aren't going to retreat from Mariupol, that land bridge to Crimea through the important port of Mariupol was always the key point of the invasion.

Four weeks ago, people said the entire Ukrainian state was no match for the Russian army spearheading towards Kyiv. Today, the entire north of the country is free due to Ukrainian resistance. There are no givens. Ukraine may be able to retain their entire country.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by attentive »

jesterson wrote: post #42
arroz wrote: post #35

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Good thing there are Russian soldiers dead in Ukraine, I hope many more get killed until they leave the fucking country

Cheering someone’s death is sick, regardless of. You may want to rethink your statement

you may want stop finding excuses for russian crimes as you do so abundantly.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by inter_netuser »

realsmittysmith wrote: post #57
inter_netuser wrote: post #47

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Ukraine had two ministers of national security who are openly neo-nazis. Ukrainian nationalists committed massacres in Odessa: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o... Their national hero: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-national... "Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles" https://en.w…

Burning people alive isn't cool no matter what. Burning traitors alive is a different issue, although no less humane. sigh The Bandera argument. I lived in East Ukraine for several years and they're not all hoo rah rah about Bandera at all, so I don't buy the "all Ukrainians worship Bandera THEREFORE they're all Nazis" argument. It's lazy, frankly. Bandera also spent most of WWII in prison, by the way. The Israel Tim…

I love how you completely ignored the fact that two post-coup ministers of national security were openly Nazi.

The west shook hands with Nazi defence ministers and sent them weapons.

That’s a good thing, right?

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Post by [deleted] »

reducesuffering wrote: post #67
yucky wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world isn't ready to understand that the Russians aren't going to retreat from Mariupol, that land bridge to Crimea through the important port of Mariupol was always the key point of the invasion.

Four weeks ago, people said the entire Ukrainian state was no match for the Russian army spearheading towards Kyiv. Today, the entire north of the country is free due to Ukrainian resistance. There are no givens. Ukraine may be able to retain their entire country.

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