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Bucha Massacre

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Re: Bucha Massacre

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Funny how hard it is for you to believe it was Russia and how easy it is to believe it was Ukraine Funny how you say “we need independent investigation” to anyone who says it was Russia but here you are saying you don’t blame Ukrainians for staging it Also funny that your account was opened after the war started

Finest national hero in Europe:

There are Stepan Bandera museums in Dubliany, Volia-Zaderevatska, Staryi Uhryniv, and Yahilnytsia. There is a Stepan Bandera Museum of Liberation Struggle in London, part of the OUN Archive,[147] and The Bandera's Family Museum (Музей родини Бандерів) in Stryi.[148][149] There are also Stepan Bandera streets in Lviv (formerly Mury street), Lutsk (formerly Suvorovska street), Rivne (formerly Moskovska street), Kolomyia, Ivano-Frankivsk, Chervonohrad (formerly Nad Buhom street),[150] Berezhany (formerly Cherniakhovskoho street), Drohobych (formerly Sliusarska street), Stryi, Kalush, Kovel, Volodymyr-Volynskyi, Horodenka, Dubrovytsia, Kolomyia, Dolyna, Iziaslav, Skole, Shepetivka, Brovary, and Boryspil, and a Stepan Bandera prospect in Ternopil (part of the former Lenin prospect).[151] On 16 January 2017, the Ukrainian Institute of National Remembrance stated that of the 51,493 streets, squares and "other facilities" that had been renamed (since 2015) due to decommunization 34 streets were named after Stepan Bandera.[152] Due to "association with the communist totalitarian regime", the Kyiv City Council on 7 July 2016 voted 87 to 10 in favor of supporting renaming Moscow Avenue to Stepan Bandera Avenue.[153][154]

Stepan Bandera monument in Ternopil Monuments dedicated to Stepan Bandera have been constructured in a number of western Ukrainian cities, including a statue in Lviv, as well as Staryi Uhryniv, Kolomyia, Drohobych,[155] Zalishchyky,[156] Mykytyntsi,[157] Uzyn,[158] Buchach,[159] Hrabivka,[160] Horodenka,[161] Staryi Sambir,[162] Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk,[163] Strusiv,[164] Truskavets,[165] Horishniy, Velykosilky, Sambir, Velyki Mosty, Skole,[166] Turka,[167] Zdolbuniv,[168] Chortkiv,[169][170] Sniatyn,[171] and in such cities and villages as Berezhany, Boryslav, Chervonohrad, Dubliany, Kamianka-Buzka, Kremenets, Mostyska, Pidvolochysk, Seredniy Bereziv, Terebovlia, Verbiv, and Volia-Zaderevatska.[citation needed] In 2010 and 2011, Bandera was named an honorary citizen of a number of western Ukrainian cities, including Khust,[172] Nadvirna,[173] Ternopil,[174] Ivano-Frankivsk,[175] Lviv,[176] Kolomyia,[177] Dolyna,[178] Varash,[179] Lutsk,[180] Chervonohrad,[181] Terebovlia,[182] Truskavets,[183] Radekhiv,[184] Sokal,[185] Stebnyk,[186] Zhovkva,[187] Skole,[188] Berezhany,[189] Sambir,[190] Boryslav,[191] Brody,[192] Stryi,[193] and Morshyn.[194]

In late 2018, the Lviv Oblast Council decided to declare the year of 2019 to be the year of Stepan Bandera, sparking protests by Israel.[195] Two feature films have been made about Bandera, among them are Assassination: An October Murder in Munich (1995) and The Undefeated (2000), both directed by Oles Yanchuk, along with a number of documentary films. In 2021, the Ukrainian Institute of National Memory under the authority of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture, included Bandera, among other Ukrainian nationalist figures, into Virtual Necropolis, a project intended to commemorate historical figures important for Ukraine.[196]

  https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/
"Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles"

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Jews
They sure love to name streets (50 thousand streets reenamed since 2015!) erecting monuments, and march in parades for an actual, documented and proven Nazi collaborator, anti-Semite, and racist who slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Jews, Poles, anyone not Ukranian, in pursuit of "pure" Ukrainian race" (his own words, published in WaPo, of all places).

That's their national hero.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Though the early information states that there were bodies of "hundreds of Russian soldiers", found when the Ukrainian forces eventually arrived to the area.

Good thing there are Russian soldiers dead in Ukraine, I hope many more get killed until they leave the fucking country

Cheering someone’s death is sick, regardless of. You may want to rethink your statement

Re: Bucha Massacre

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The world isn't ready to understand what has happened in Mariupol. Like the other commenter said, it will be uncovered once Russian forces retreat, and is ten times the destruction.

I, personally, am very concerned about Mariupol, the Russians there are free to do whatever they want (torture, rape, etc..). As they are there for quite some time already, they also had time to cover up their wrongdoings which is even more concerning.

you should be concerned yes:

https://rumble.com/vzj5jh-ukraine-mariupol-residents-speak-a...

Re: Bucha Massacre

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These are Ukrainians found tortured, mutilated, raped and killed, not Russians. There is plenty of evidence in the linked article. Please don't do this here.

In a country with 20-40% of ethnic Russians, and ~10% other non-Ukranians (anything from greeks to tatars), I'd say odds are far from zero some of those people are definitely not Ukranian.

You could tell a Russian from a Ukrainian in that video? I can't tell them apart even in person.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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Be on the lookout for the unholy trinity of Russian troll tactics: 1) bUt thE UsA cOmMiTtEd wAr cRiMes In tHe MiDdlE EaSt! 2) UkRaIne StaGed iT! 3) uKrAinE iS a nAzI sTaTe! Responses are simple. 1) How's that relevant at all right now? 2) ...in areas that were under Russian occupation for weeks and only recently liberated, okay. Also, why stage atrocities when Russia isn't even hiding the fact that it's committing co…

Ukraine had two ministers of national security who are openly neo-nazis.

Ukrainian nationalists committed massacres in Odessa: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o...

Their national hero: https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-national...

"Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles"

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera#Jews
They sure love to name streets (50 thousand streets reenamed since 2015!) erecting monuments, and march in parades for an actual, documented and proven Nazi collaborator, anti-Semite, and racist who slaughtered thousands upon thousands of Jews, Poles, anyone not Ukranian, in pursuit of "pure" Ukrainian race" (his own words, published in WaPo, of all places).

That's their national hero. Unverified, with only 50,000 monuments and streets named after a literal Nazi.

Obviously only angels live in that country.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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> Please don't do this here. What makes you think you can give advices on what people should or shouldn't do here? If you don't need proper investigation to figure out who actually did that - it's your choice. But don't try to censor those who think not like you.

You have a long history of coming to the defense of what is now an international pariah that has lied about the purpose of a troop build up, 200,000 strong which has now senselessly displaced millions and murdered thousands more. Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers. Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and…

> Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers

As the US passed a law to invade the Hague in case the ICC ever tries to accuse the US of war crimes, I'm assuming the US is not a "peer".

> Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and children lay raped and dead on the earth of Ukraine is not defensible. Please don't do this here.

Israel was murdering Palestinian children in the West Bank and Gaza last year, backed by the US. Accounts of that posted here which managed not to be flagged were heavily "defended" with concerned deflections, where are your comments all over those threads to not deflect and do that here? Or the ongoing Saudi massacres of Yemeni, which the US backs and are happening now. Or the US drone attack on children in Kabul last August? When are those war crime trials starting?

Re: Bucha Massacre

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> Please don't do this here. What makes you think you can give advices on what people should or shouldn't do here? If you don't need proper investigation to figure out who actually did that - it's your choice. But don't try to censor those who think not like you.

You have a long history of coming to the defense of what is now an international pariah that has lied about the purpose of a troop build up, 200,000 strong which has now senselessly displaced millions and murdered thousands more. Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers. Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and…

It's flattering to find you have spent some time going thru my history, although if you have tried to think critically instead of throwing emotional messages, I would consider that to be more useful activity.

Proper investigations means independent and not biased, which is clearly not the case for you and those who blame without any evidence, just because media provided a nice picture. Will it ever be the case and will russian forces be there or someone else is to be found. Unfortunately massive campaign on media blaming russia for that hints us the proper investigation will never take place.

And lastly - luckily it's not your private space, so please don't behave like you own it. If you enjoy echo-chambers there are plenty of places for that. HN is one of few where people freely express substantiated POV.

Re: Bucha Massacre

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You have a long history of coming to the defense of what is now an international pariah that has lied about the purpose of a troop build up, 200,000 strong which has now senselessly displaced millions and murdered thousands more. Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers. Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and…

> Proper investigations will be done and Russia will be brought to justice in front of a court of its peers As the US passed a law to invade the Hague in case the ICC ever tries to accuse the US of war crimes, I'm assuming the US is not a "peer". > Defending this monstrous state with your "concerned" deflections while mothers and children lay raped and dead on the earth of Ukraine is not defensible. Please don't do t…

Excellent points, but he seems to be a typical product of mass media. If it's not reiterated on mass media, it doesn't exist.

Ignorance is bliss indeed :(

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