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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by clejack » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC

Radim wrote: post #391

decremental wrote: post #313

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I feel like I'm debating someone who is intentionally acting obtuse. I think you know what I'm saying and understand perfectly well what my position is here. Trying to shoehorn religion (something I'm sure you abhore) into this says a lot about the disingenuous nature of your motivation in this discussion. This would be more fruitful if you would just be candid with your own opinions instead affecting a passive aggre…

I explained my position and explicitly said I'm trying to understand yours – claiming a textbook example of evolution is not evolution is just weird. You come back with ad-hominems. And then add new wrong assumptions into the mix – why should I abhore religion? You can do better.

If the original comment said 'it would not be language evolving [normally]...'

As opposed to 'organically' would you still have an issue understanding?

Assume here that normal is a linguistic approximation to the mathematical idea of arithmetic mean. It could also be replaced with the word typically.

In this context, your notion of a top down demand that blue means red or vice versa, is not 'organic' evolution, it's guided. Closer to the dog than the wolf.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by quantum_state » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:50 AM UTC

UK judges should be sanctioned for this outrageous act against freedom of speech!

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by htfu » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 11:59 AM UTC

LocalH wrote: post #118

heurisko wrote: post #112

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Someone with Asperger's who requires a carer was prosecuted after they loudly questioned a PCSO's sex in a public place. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/teen-prosecute... So if that is anything to go by, it is "No".

The article doesn't say Armstrong requires a carer. > The court heard Armstrong, who acts as a carer for a man he considers his father, had been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome and suffered from anxiety and depression. Also, Asperger's is not really an excuse to say hurtful things. I have ADHD, which is related to both Asperger's and autism, and I would never say something like that. It's not so cut and dry to say "…

Apart from both being NPF, having some symptoms that can be misinterpreted as similar, and high levels of comorbidities, ADHD is not related to autism.

We with ADHD absolutely do not have the same issues of interpersonal understanding, so of course you wouldn't because you wouldn't have that impulse in the first place.

From what I know I'd say autism (light or not) can definitely be an excuse for saying hurtful things, due to limitations in getting why something "merely factual" could be hurtful.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by _0ffh » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:00 PM UTC

dazc wrote: post #12

cm2187 wrote: post #6

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It’s also disturbing that the police complains it is not given the means to combat knife crime but thinks it is a good use of their resource to police politeness on twitter.

The police like to chase easy targets and social media offers up lots of opportunities to prove how well they are doing their job. The only people who are scared of the police in the UK are middle class, normally law abiding citizens. One minor slip-up and they will be on you like a ton of bricks.

Yeah, they really like their soft targets, don't they? On the other hand, a gathering of young men who believably signal that they're totally down for a bit of street violence, now that's not such an attractive target to confront.

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Post by listless » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:15 PM UTC

rubyist5eva wrote: post #318

listless wrote: post #240

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> "You shouldn't be able to tweet racist messages" This seems right on the surface, but the problem is that it's really hard to determine what a racist message is. For instance, if black people want to discuss their frustration with white people in honest language, it might sound pretty racist. But I'm not sure any of us would want to curtail that. FB had this exact problem not too long ago.. https://revealnews.org/a…

> if black people want to discuss their frustration with white people in honest language, it might sound pretty racist Because it is.

Agreed. And this is exactly why we shouldn’t ban it.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by heavenlyblue » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 12:25 PM UTC

endominus wrote: post #394

heavenlyblue wrote: post #392

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> Look at many social justice programs now: "group X has been suffering historically, so let's now make group Y suffer in some other way to make it fair" as opposed to "let people from X and Y build shit together for the sake of prosperity". Citation needed.

It's not especially hard to find examples. A couple off the top of my head, as I was looking into the education system in the States recently. "African-Americans have had worse access to educational resources, so let's shut down gifted programs for everyone." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/08/us/new-york-gifted-and-ta... "The population of certain high-status schools is not demographically identical to the populatio…

Your abstracts do not even correspond to the content of the articles, how can I take you seriously after this?

The last article doesn’t mention word “girls” or “female” at least once on the page.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by dpbriggs » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 1:35 PM UTC

evocatus wrote: post #399

mlindner wrote: post #72

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Well "white privledge" IS racist. So that's already the case. Just some people don't consider it that way.

It can't be racist if you have no power [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

Let's redefine racism, nice play

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Post by endominus » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 1:56 PM UTC

heavenlyblue wrote: post #406

endominus wrote: post #394

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It's not especially hard to find examples. A couple off the top of my head, as I was looking into the education system in the States recently. "African-Americans have had worse access to educational resources, so let's shut down gifted programs for everyone." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/08/us/new-york-gifted-and-ta... "The population of certain high-status schools is not demographically identical to the populatio…

Your abstracts do not even correspond to the content of the articles, how can I take you seriously after this? The last article doesn’t mention word “girls” or “female” at least once on the page.

In what sense do they not correspond? The gifted program was being shut down because schools like Stuyvesant admitted very few black students. See, for example, Forbes' take on the subject; https://www.forbes.com/sites/nataliewexler/2019/08/28/to-add...

Likewise, there is an ongoing court case about Yale (which is also spilling over into discussions about other schools) discriminating against students by race. See https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates.... They have been trying to transition to more subjective methods of student filtering for a while now to hide this better. Rather than include an entire bibliography of the context behind the change, I just linked to that change being enacted, since that's what I considered the important thing being asked for (the proof of systems being made more unfair/objectively worse).

I can't give you bulletproof explanations of why these changes are being made - no one can. No one has come out to explicitly say, "We're changing the math curriculum because [group] is doing worse and we need to tilt the field in their favor." It's always couched in "better world" language - it's more just, more equitable, allows students to learn better, etc. But the claim was that social justice reforms are more focused on destroying something providing value to a privileged group than trying to come up with ways for everyone to achieve better outcomes together. That's what these changes, in general, show.

Instead of having the opportunity to go to a specialized gifted program, even if it's harder for people of some races to get in, no one gets one.

Instead of auditable, comparable, and clearly defined criteria for college acceptance, it's entirely subjective and based on the Admissions Office's biases.

Instead of a math class that teaches actual math, even if some students find that boring or difficult, we have whatever California is doing.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by matthewheath » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 2:03 PM UTC

hermitdev wrote: post #322

weego wrote: post #147

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It's just standard 'edgy' anti-english diatribe from a Scot. It's really nothing I don't hear regularly either out in public or from friend-adjacent people here. It's bad taste and trashy but that's kind of it. The problem is exactly that it's not an unusual attitude to hear. The difference is who it was aimed at. So for me the real issue is that we're cherry picking when we apply a very vague and loosely applied law…

I'm from the US, so please forgive my ignorance of UK law in this regard, but is this case special at all because the target of the insult was knighted (or whatever the correct term is)? Would it have been the same result if the target was a "random" non-knighted individual?

The target being a "public figure" might well have factored into the Crown Office's decision to prosecute, as part of the public interest test under the Prosecution Code.

If the target were a random member of the public, it seems that the offence would still be made out (he would still be found guilty) but perhaps the sentencing would be less severe.

It does seem that judicial discretion was thrown to the wind here. I don't agree that the sentencing reflects the gravity of the offence, given the mitigating circumstances raised by his defence counsel.

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Post by thirdwhrldPzz » Sat, Apr 02, 2022, 2:07 PM UTC

dane-pgp wrote: post #359

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Is that liberal democracy thing some time in the past when this kind of things didn't happen? what period would be that?

> Is that liberal democracy thing some time in the past No, it's an ideal that some countries claim to aspire to, and some seem to be moving away from. (Those lists of countries are not as disjoint as they might seem).

Some people claim to aspire to.

It’s always people. Biden is a person. Putin is a person.

Hiding behind language like country or state is part of the propaganda and mind virus such people rely on, insuring agency defers to concept. They’re self serving people, not concepts.