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Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by akomtu »

gonzo41 wrote: post #59
trashtester wrote: post #41

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The problem with banning things like "racism" is that words change meaning over time. Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

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The so-called "white privilege" is the abstract invisible but ever present enemy that's present in every cult. People in North Korea believe that spies and greedy capitalists are trying to invade their great country, and only the wise and pure leader Kim is going to save them. Orthodox muslims believe that the christian non-believers are the absolute evil, and the orthodox christians think the same about muslims. Different christian cults believe they are surrounded by fake christian cults and only they have the true understanding of what's right and what's wrong. The so-called woke believe in the ever-present whiteness evil and only their anti-racist doctrine will save them. My point is that if someone insists that you're surrounded by enemies, and the only way to save your soul is to blindly accept the Teaching, you're in a cult. The enemies part is what makes cult a cult, because the cult organisers want they followers to have a shallow us-vs-them mentality.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by DoctorOW »

at_a_remove wrote: post #155

Presumably, the bobbies of the UK are hot on the trail of the people who Tweeted https://twitter.com/dataracer117/status/1272737061703790592 and will get those community services sentences on the schedule. Death threats, after all, are worse than being glad someone is dead.

I like how to justify the "including verified accounts" it's defining "Harassment" to include a regular critique of her ideas but with a naughty swear word.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by judahmeek »

nradov wrote: post #209
weego wrote: post #147

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It's just standard 'edgy' anti-english diatribe from a Scot. It's really nothing I don't hear regularly either out in public or from friend-adjacent people here. It's bad taste and trashy but that's kind of it. The problem is exactly that it's not an unusual attitude to hear. The difference is who it was aimed at. So for me the real issue is that we're cherry picking when we apply a very vague and loosely applied law…

The problem is exactly that the law shouldn't exist in the first place. Such laws violate the fundamental human right of free expression. Repeal the law and then you won't have to worry about uneven application.

There is no such thing as a fundamental human right to free expression.

You would be better served by pointing out that governments tend to become more authoritarian over time & the harder citizens resist authoritarian creep, the longer they have before a bloody revolution is usually required.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by lkrubner »

travisgriggs wrote: post #271
Terry_Roll wrote: post #223

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One thing I have learnt is that anything bad reported in the so called british press that other countries do, goes on here in the uk as well. Churchill summed it up best, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, which means people will be made examples of as and when needed.

> Churchill summed it up best, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few I’m disillusioned, discovering that it wasn’t Spock (Nemoy) uttering this as his dying words. Did someone eventually tell Churchill that sometimes “the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many?” Or do I have to wait many years in the future to hear that sentiment?

It’s a restatement of Bentham’s dictum from 1776: the law should do the greatest good for the greatest many. Churchill obviously knew of Bentham, but I think Churchill often put things more elegantly than some of the famous philosophers.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by RobertoG »

standardUser wrote: post #264
Traster wrote: post #208

There's something I find loathesome about this "Send a message" sentencing. What the judge has done is send a clear message, that he won't sentence you on the merits of the case but will sentence you to serve his own agenda. The only message this sends is that justice has failed. It's always completely transparent who exactly gets made an example of, and who gets off with a slap on the wrist. We'll spend months hunti…

The entire concept of "setting an example" seems like a bit of fascism that has snuck its way into liberal democracy.

Is that liberal democracy thing some time in the past when this kind of things didn't happen? what period would be that?

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by nonethewiser »

ciupicri wrote: post #268
helloworld11 wrote: post #186

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Many countries, including many in Europe have some very serious, heavy racial issues that are both more ingrained than those of the U.S and in quite a few cases more violent or openly discriminatory. The U.S. however is generally at or close to the center of global media familiarity and attention, so naturally, the theme of its own racial issues is disproportionately magnified. How many major countries are overtly et…

What European countries?

France. Big time.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by [deleted] »

Traster wrote: post #208

There's something I find loathesome about this "Send a message" sentencing. What the judge has done is send a clear message, that he won't sentence you on the merits of the case but will sentence you to serve his own agenda. The only message this sends is that justice has failed. It's always completely transparent who exactly gets made an example of, and who gets off with a slap on the wrist. We'll spend months hunti…

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by nonethewiser »

beaconstudios wrote: post #188
rootusrootus wrote: post #170

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But is racism actually worse in the US? I feel like in many other western nations it's just more socially acceptable, and not so controversial.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by racism. Interpersonal racism seems to fly under dogwhistles moreso than outright statements now that it's socially unacceptable (in most places), where e.g. casual racism against Romania people is still pretty common in Europe. Judging from economic outcomes, though, I'd say the US is still pretty racist, even if being individually racist is mostly condemned (though I think it…

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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by john_moscow »

standardUser wrote: post #264
Traster wrote: post #208

There's something I find loathesome about this "Send a message" sentencing. What the judge has done is send a clear message, that he won't sentence you on the merits of the case but will sentence you to serve his own agenda. The only message this sends is that justice has failed. It's always completely transparent who exactly gets made an example of, and who gets off with a slap on the wrist. We'll spend months hunti…

The entire concept of "setting an example" seems like a bit of fascism that has snuck its way into liberal democracy.

Such things are indicative of the general zeitgeist in the society. If most people were hard workers, knowing how to count money and expected accountability, you would see more sentencing for embezzlement and nobody would care about some random dude's shitposting.

Sadly this isn't the case in the West anymore. Most people come from a rather meaningless and mind-numbing job, turn on the TV and expect to be entertained. And seeing your neighbor from a different political camp punched in the face is the oldest form of entertainment the humanity came up with. Look at many social justice programs now: "group X has been suffering historically, so let's now make group Y suffer in some other way to make it fair" as opposed to "let people from X and Y build shit together for the sake of prosperity".

This way will inevitably bring poverty, people will eventually wake up and start asking the right questions about the dropping quality of life and affordability of assets, but it can take decades more of arguing on who's shitpost was more offensive.

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