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Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by Radim »

decremental wrote: post #313
Radim wrote: post #289

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> outside of the way things change naturally on their own. "Naturally on their own", you say? It sounds like you consider humans outside of forces of nature, outside of evolution. Are you a theist perhaps? I'm trying to understand your position, because to me humans and human relationships and human societies and human actions seem (obviously) a part of nature. They're complex systems, yes, but there's nothing inorga…

I feel like I'm debating someone who is intentionally acting obtuse. I think you know what I'm saying and understand perfectly well what my position is here. Trying to shoehorn religion (something I'm sure you abhore) into this says a lot about the disingenuous nature of your motivation in this discussion. This would be more fruitful if you would just be candid with your own opinions instead affecting a passive aggre…

I explained my position and explicitly said I'm trying to understand yours – claiming a textbook example of evolution is not evolution is just weird.

You come back with ad-hominems.

And then add new wrong assumptions into the mix – why should I abhore religion? You can do better.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by heavenlyblue »

john_moscow wrote: post #300
standardUser wrote: post #264

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The entire concept of "setting an example" seems like a bit of fascism that has snuck its way into liberal democracy.

Such things are indicative of the general zeitgeist in the society. If most people were hard workers, knowing how to count money and expected accountability, you would see more sentencing for embezzlement and nobody would care about some random dude's shitposting. Sadly this isn't the case in the West anymore. Most people come from a rather meaningless and mind-numbing job, turn on the TV and expect to be entertained…

> Look at many social justice programs now: "group X has been suffering historically, so let's now make group Y suffer in some other way to make it fair" as opposed to "let people from X and Y build shit together for the sake of prosperity".

Citation needed.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by heavenlyblue »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #375
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #345

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Yea. Go onto certain 4chan boards and you inevitably see more offensive content within 30 seconds. I’m always surprised that people in the UK put up with so many of these authoritarian nanny state and “think of the children” laws.

They have always been a subservient people who look up to authority figures -- their betters -- to take care of them and to tell them how they should go about their lives. And it's not "think of the children", it's "think of me".

Yeah, one would be surprised to realise how popular the Queen and the family is in the UK for exactly the same reason: somebody to look up to. British make fun of American celebrity culture, but then there’s that appreciation of nobility and the royal family.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by endominus »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #392
john_moscow wrote: post #300

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Such things are indicative of the general zeitgeist in the society. If most people were hard workers, knowing how to count money and expected accountability, you would see more sentencing for embezzlement and nobody would care about some random dude's shitposting. Sadly this isn't the case in the West anymore. Most people come from a rather meaningless and mind-numbing job, turn on the TV and expect to be entertained…

> Look at many social justice programs now: "group X has been suffering historically, so let's now make group Y suffer in some other way to make it fair" as opposed to "let people from X and Y build shit together for the sake of prosperity". Citation needed.

It's not especially hard to find examples. A couple off the top of my head, as I was looking into the education system in the States recently.

"African-Americans have had worse access to educational resources, so let's shut down gifted programs for everyone." https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/08/us/new-york-gifted-and-ta...

"The population of certain high-status schools is not demographically identical to the population at large, so let's stop using objective criteria in university admissions." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harvard-test-optional-sat-act-s...

"Girls do worse in math class than boys, so let's change the curriculum to be less about math and more about social justice." https://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=13658

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by refurb »

jeffalyanak wrote: post #40
naoqj wrote: post #29

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If you are in favour of limits on speech then you should not have a problem with this. Everything is offensive to someone. We should all go to prison!

Just like how speed limits necessitate the arrest of everyone who drives.

We can objectively measure speed.

Please detail how we can objectively measure “offense”.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by refurb »

Pyramus wrote: post #239
hervature wrote: post #212

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They obviously meant speed is quantifiable. You can measure speed and say "you violated the limit".

Yes, but it doesn't strengthen the argument. If society A says the speed limit is X and society B it's Y and society C it's infinite. What's the point that speed is objectively measurable?

You’re missing the point.

Society A and society B won’t disagree on whether something is moving at 150km/hr.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by dzhiurgis »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #345
xboxnolifes wrote: post #121

I feel like I must have been corrupted by the internet or something if the tweet in question is considered "grossly offensive". It certainly isn't nice , but 18 months supervision and 150 hours of community service? I don't even know how to put my bafflement into words here.

Yea. Go onto certain 4chan boards and you inevitably see more offensive content within 30 seconds. I’m always surprised that people in the UK put up with so many of these authoritarian nanny state and “think of the children” laws.

4chan is anonymous

Fake name on Twitter is immediate red flag

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by encryptluks2 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #350

A bit steep but I like the idea of toxic individuals getting some fresh air and working with the community.

Funny, cause both political sides thinks the other base is toxic and so I guess when you are forced to take a train to a camp and do some outside work you won't mind so much.

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by evocatus »

mlindner wrote: post #72
trashtester wrote: post #41

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The problem with banning things like "racism" is that words change meaning over time. Maybe some time in the future, any reference to "White Privlege" may be considered racist, for instance.

Well "white privledge" IS racist. So that's already the case. Just some people don't consider it that way.

It can't be racist if you have no power [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice_plus_power

Re: Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK

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Post by _0ffh »

ellopoppit wrote: post #324
autoexec wrote: post #314

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> and giving oxygen to it helps propagate and give validity to it. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. If you actually care about fighting racism, you have to be able to see it. You have to be able to understand it. You have to be able to track it. Driving racist rhetoric underground, making it hard to follow what groups are being targeted or what lies are being told, making it more difficult to identify who is involv…

"Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."

And so today I learnt another great MLK quote, thank you!
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