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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by krageon »

ensan wrote: post #223
bananabiscuit wrote: post #60

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I’m honestly hyped for a new golden age of movies and games where Russians are the bad guys. I feel like Russian bad guys always had more character and really made you want to see the hero outmaneuver them. Arabs just didn’t do it for me the last two decades.

“The old-fashioned racism didn’t cut it for me anymore. Excited to be racist towards a new group of people”

Any game with any sort of bad group of people can be reduced to an "-ism", but that doesn't make that conversation piece particularly interesting.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #360
yucky wrote: post #355

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You linked to people who disagree, or have a different take on the situation. I'm not sure what you think that means. I have simply pointed out that the revolution/coup of 2014 that installed the current Ukrainian government was A)Unconstitutional and B)Supported by the US, which is obviously the main adversary to Russia. I also pointed out that the idea of pushing Ukraine and/or Georgia towards NATO has been known f…

> These facts aren't in dispute, so there is nothing to call me out on Yes, very nice. however as stated before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30665507 Your argument is at best semantic; and entirely misleading, in a propagandistic way. I call you out on that, and I am not the first > Supported by the US Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear. You can deny the Ukrainian peop…

>Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear.

This tells me you didn't read the citations I provided.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jasonshaev »

Lascaille wrote: post #327
jasonshaev wrote: post #218

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In the US, the 1st amendment grants private companies the right to police content within their purview. Preventing them from doing so is in itself a violation of the 1st amendment. Thus, in my opinion, the suggestion that private companies should NOT police content, despite their explicit 1st amendment right to do so, is antithetical to the 1st amendment.

So the 1st amendment's wrong. Fix it somehow. Landline telephone companies are obliged by their terms of licence to serve all customers in their coverage area (i.e they can't deny the KKK a landline.) There's precedent for forcing companies to provide a certain service. Just write a law. Find or invent a justification and write a law.

You can't, uh, just write a law that overrides the 1st amendment. It's in the Constitution. Any law that overrides the 1st amendment is unconstitutional by definition.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jasonshaev »

LegitShady wrote: post #342
jasonshaev wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, the 1st amendment grants private companies the right to police content within their purview. Preventing them from doing so is in itself a violation of the 1st amendment. Thus, in my opinion, the suggestion that private companies should NOT police content, despite their explicit 1st amendment right to do so, is antithetical to the 1st amendment.

In the US, companies get 1st amendment protections as if they were people, but don't get any of the liability due to SEction 230 of the communications decency act. Giving companies 1st amendment rights was ridiculous, but then giving them protections beyond the 1st amendment that no normal person gets was giving them too much power to control speech in society.

Repealing 230 would force companies to moderate much more heavily so as to avoid liability. So if the goal is to reduce moderation, repealing Section 230 won't solve that. Not giving companies 1st amendment rights is very troubling to me because ultimately a company is just a collection of people with a governance structure. Compelling a jewish coffee shop owner to allow someone to post anti-semitic notices within their business would be an immediate consequence.

I don't see any easy answer here. I'm as uncomfortable with the amount of influence companies like Facebook yield as anyone but most of the "easy" solutions would, in my opinion, make the situation far worse.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #362
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #360

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> These facts aren't in dispute, so there is nothing to call me out on Yes, very nice. however as stated before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30665507 Your argument is at best semantic; and entirely misleading, in a propagandistic way. I call you out on that, and I am not the first > Supported by the US Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear. You can deny the Ukrainian peop…

>Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear. This tells me you didn't read the citations I provided.

Your citations provided upthread say nothing of the sort. This is pretty misleading stuff.

Regarding "ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation; the question is whether it's OK for a nation to determine their own fate or not. Regardless of which power they choose to be "pro". I'm of the opinion that it is vital; you're clearly against that self-determination, calling it a "coup", repeatedly, for tendentious reasons.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #365
yucky wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear. This tells me you didn't read the citations I provided.

Your citations provided upthread say nothing of the sort. This is pretty misleading stuff. Regarding "ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation; the question is whether it's OK for a nation to determine their own fate or not. Regardless of which power they choose to be "pro". I'm of the opinion that it is vital; you're clearly against that self-determination, calling it a "coup",…

>"ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation

So you didn't listen to the leaked phone call with Victoria Nuland handpicking who they wanted to take power? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #366
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your citations provided upthread say nothing of the sort. This is pretty misleading stuff. Regarding "ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation; the question is whether it's OK for a nation to determine their own fate or not. Regardless of which power they choose to be "pro". I'm of the opinion that it is vital; you're clearly against that self-determination, calling it a "coup",…

>"ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation So you didn't listen to the leaked phone call with Victoria Nuland handpicking who they wanted to take power? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Seems like this took place after the transfer of power. You can't cause a transfer of power after it happens. But I don't think you're that stupid,. you're just trying to fool people with misleading links.

Government behaving badly? isn't the answer - according to you - to wait until the next election and change leaders (1)? "That is how democracy works."

Oh wait, Ukraine did that in 2019 when they elected Zelensky by a wide margin (2). Job done. right? Problem solved, no need to bring it up again.

All this irrelevant frothing about CIA, US is designed to misdirect away from Ukraine's self-determination. Who they align with or not is their choice. In 2014, 2019 or any other year.

1) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30632670

2) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48007487

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #367
yucky wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine" is a complete mischaracterisation So you didn't listen to the leaked phone call with Victoria Nuland handpicking who they wanted to take power? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Seems like this took place after the transfer of power. You can't cause a transfer of power after it happens. But I don't think you're that stupid,. you're just trying to fool people with misleading links. Government behaving badly? isn't the answer - according to you - to wait until the next election and change leaders (1)? "That is how democracy works." Oh wait, Ukraine did that in 2019 when they elected Zelensky b…

>Seems like this took place after the transfer of power.

The "Revolution of Dignity" was February 18-23rd 2014.

This BBC article[1] featuring the leaked transcript is from February 7th 2014, which is 2 weeks earlier.

So no, that is 100% incorrect. Does that change your view?

[1]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #368
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #367

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like this took place after the transfer of power. You can't cause a transfer of power after it happens. But I don't think you're that stupid,. you're just trying to fool people with misleading links. Government behaving badly? isn't the answer - according to you - to wait until the next election and change leaders (1)? "That is how democracy works." Oh wait, Ukraine did that in 2019 when they elected Zelensky b…

>Seems like this took place after the transfer of power. The "Revolution of Dignity" was February 18-23rd 2014. This BBC article[1] featuring the leaked transcript is from February 7th 2014, which is 2 weeks earlier. So no, that is 100% incorrect. Does that change your view? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Zelensky was elected in 2019, five years later, does that change yours? Are you even going to talk about that at all?

> So no, that is 100% incorrect.

Funny that Wikipedia lists a lot of things happening in December and January too. "100% wrong" is misleading as always. Looks like the Ukrainian people took the initiative on this one.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #369
yucky wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems like this took place after the transfer of power. The "Revolution of Dignity" was February 18-23rd 2014. This BBC article[1] featuring the leaked transcript is from February 7th 2014, which is 2 weeks earlier. So no, that is 100% incorrect. Does that change your view? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Zelensky was elected in 2019, five years later, does that change yours? Are you even going to talk about that at all? > So no, that is 100% incorrect. Funny that Wikipedia lists a lot of things happening in December and January too. "100% wrong" is misleading as always. Looks like the Ukrainian people took the initiative on this one.

Those goal posts must be getting heavy. So to recap, the US was involved in the 2014 coup and picked their guy to take power in Ukraine. Learning that, your opinion has not changed at all. So, now we see what this is.
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