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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #346
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #344

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> be can't ignore the US-backed Ukrainian coup/revolution in 2014which then resulted in the invasion of Crimea You have been called out on your "CIA Coup" propaganda before, regarding this event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity Saying that it "resulted in the invasion of Crimea" is like saying "she made me hit her". it's repulsive.

I have been called out? I provided links to Reuters and AP, it doesn't get more legit than that. Maybe you don't realize the CIA has a long and illustrious career of fomenting revolutions, but their fingerprints are all over it.

> I have been called out?

Yes, recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30658026

and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30627544

However I do not expect this to stop you from continuing to peddle the same misleading talking point to each new passer-by who didn't think to check just how one-note your comment history is.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by epakai »

shihab wrote: post #133
Bouncingsoul1 wrote: post #111

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"Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement." that's just not true pick your favourite search engine and you see articles on this topic from every major outlet.I checked for this Nyt, WP (US) , der spiegel(ger), guardian(uk). You see articles coming up the last 2 weeks, another spike was 2017 and before 2014. I guess if ran an analysis…

You're right, and yet I disagree with your main point. For every article about Azov or other far-right nationalists, there are like 100 saying Russia is spreading misinformation about Nazism in Ukraine (which can of course be true too). The ratio is not appropriate in my very subjective opinion. Another point about you mentioning The Guardian- I've always found before, specially so during this conflict, British media…

What ratio is appropriate once Russia has used this excuse to invade a sovereign nation? The time for having concern about Azov battalion seems well past. There was never such ultimatum as "get rid of Nazis or we will do it for you". It was never a real concern, but a pretext, their own manufactured consent.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by kordlessagain »

moltke wrote: post #335
kordlessagain wrote: post #325

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You don't. Invaders implies armed occupying forces causing harm. "Invaders" is a more clear identifier than "gangster", given some gangsters may only sell drugs, not carry guns or use them to inflict direct harm. Of course one could argue selling drugs is causing harm, but choice of ingestion of the drug is a distinct and challenging topic in and of its own. Also, the two can't be conflated (well) and the origin of t…

>armed occupying forces causing harm. I don't see how that definition is incompatible with what many of the gangs are doing to southern Texas and California.

"Occupying forces" is equivalent to forces whose objective is to replace the current governmental system with their own rule of law. Given Mexican gangsters aren't replacing the governmental systems in these areas, this remains compatible with the assertion that "death to Mexican gangsters" lacks the proper identifying keywords to be allowed on platforms with rules against hate speech.

Just because some people (a subset of a given group and their consensus on topics) think Mexican gangster are occupying forces, doesn't actually make them occupying forces. It just means those people are incorrect in their assumptions about what is true, or not, as viewed by the governing group, in a given area.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by yucky »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #351
yucky wrote: post #346

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I have been called out? I provided links to Reuters and AP, it doesn't get more legit than that. Maybe you don't realize the CIA has a long and illustrious career of fomenting revolutions, but their fingerprints are all over it.

> I have been called out? Yes, recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30658026 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30627544 However I do not expect this to stop you from continuing to peddle the same misleading talking point to each new passer-by who didn't think to check just how one-note your comment history is.

You linked to people who disagree, or have a different take on the situation. I'm not sure what you think that means.

I have simply pointed out that the revolution/coup of 2014 that installed the current Ukrainian government was A)Unconstitutional and B)Supported by the US, which is obviously the main adversary to Russia. I also pointed out that the idea of pushing Ukraine and/or Georgia towards NATO has been known for the last 25 years to be a guaranteed precursor to war with Russia.

These facts aren't in dispute, so there is nothing to call me out on. Now, you can have the opinion that the coup was a good thing for the Ukrainian people and that it's ok to install a pro-US government in Ukraine or that they should be in NATO regardless of how that concerns Russia. Those are opinions and can be debated. But you can't dismiss facts. And the above are facts.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by bastawhiz »

PhantomBKB wrote: post #350
bastawhiz wrote: post #113

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Hurts them how?

If they keep quiet about the issue, the public might protest about their inaction. If they make a move like they've done now, it's going to look like they are pro hate speech which also does not look good from the perspective of humanity.

Neither consequence that you've listed would or has actually hurt them

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Post by BlueTemplar »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #77
ProAm wrote: post #64

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The problem is Facebook has never had principles beyond market share and ads, we can be honest about that one.

> Facebook has never had principles "Never" doesn't feel right to me. I remember being in Sixth Form and then an undergrad while Facebook was in their "web-scale" days: there wasn't (yet) anything untoward being reported (besides the "dumb fucks" quote) - so I like to think that Facebook's principles, then, were more "let's see where this goes" - which isn't much of a principle, I agree - but we were all re-projectin…

People have been calling out platforms for a long time...

For instance the famous "Minitel 2.0" conference by Benjamin Bayart in... 2007 !

https://tube.fdn.fr/w/41d17717-3535-4d2c-8eda-58723fead995 (fr)

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

ahartmetz wrote: post #310
apologiesalso wrote: post #236

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I think most people are okay with that, especially in the west, but I'd say all over the world. But in the west you have strong values of fighting for your freedom, arming yourself, having the right to be armed and to fight for your freedoms and that death is better than surrendering your freedoms.

These are only US traditions, especially about firearms. And if I look at the results, your idealistic and self-confident description seems a bit too positive.

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by PhantomBKB »

bastawhiz wrote: post #356
PhantomBKB wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they keep quiet about the issue, the public might protest about their inaction. If they make a move like they've done now, it's going to look like they are pro hate speech which also does not look good from the perspective of humanity.

Neither consequence that you've listed would or has actually hurt them

ok man, peace

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

yucky wrote: post #355
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #351

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> I have been called out? Yes, recently here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30658026 and here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30627544 However I do not expect this to stop you from continuing to peddle the same misleading talking point to each new passer-by who didn't think to check just how one-note your comment history is.

You linked to people who disagree, or have a different take on the situation. I'm not sure what you think that means. I have simply pointed out that the revolution/coup of 2014 that installed the current Ukrainian government was A)Unconstitutional and B)Supported by the US, which is obviously the main adversary to Russia. I also pointed out that the idea of pushing Ukraine and/or Georgia towards NATO has been known f…

> These facts aren't in dispute, so there is nothing to call me out on

Yes, very nice.

however as stated before https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30665507 Your argument is at best semantic; and entirely misleading, in a propagandistic way. I call you out on that, and I am not the first

> Supported by the US

Citation needed. You called it "CIA-backed" earlier, which is a worse smear. You can deny the Ukrainian people agency over their own fate then, as a precursor to denying it to them now.

The facts on the ground say otherwise. Ukraine is not behaving as if they have an "illegitimate regime". Implying otherwise - and doing so repeatedly - is behaviour that shows that you have an agenda.

> I also pointed out that the idea of pushing Ukraine and/or Georgia towards NATO has been known for the last 25 years to be a guaranteed precursor to war with Russia.

"look what you made me do" is again, the logic of an abuser.

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