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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

#52
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

Interesting observation. . .

When Crimea was annexed, there were many articles on Azov Battalion and the implications that it was the best thing (capable fighters who will defend the country) and the worst thing (they're Fascists) and how that would play out if Russia invaded.

Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement. I find it kind of odd considering there is such a preoccupation with Nazi's in this country, they would just ignore this part of the narrative.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

#53
post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

The actual principles of FB are make as much profit no matter what it costs others stopping only to make changes when the profit flow might be impacted.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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You are correct. "We won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," says Meta. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/11/facebook-... They define credible as: having two "indicators of credibility", such as location or method. That is a considerably higher bar than for any other group. And that's referring to civilians, not soldiers. In a separate, internal memo, they explicitly say that…

> violent speech against Russian civilians is allowed "if the context is the Russian invasion"

So it's possible to say "Russia is invading Ukraine, so every Russian must die"?

Also >Emails also showed that Meta would allow praise of the Ukrainian far-right Azov battalion, which is normally prohibited.

You can praise nazis when they are on your side?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

I think principles went out the window when both the new generation and journalists decided:

"You can't stay still on a moving train." I.e., everything is biased, no one is objective, and no platform can be objective because everything has an implicit position (even no position is a position). In other words, a very postmodern "no objective truth can be obtained" take.

So yes, the rational, logical next step is loosey goosey terms and conditions that change, cynical decisions based on who's talking, couched loosely in some sort of vague idea or principle. It does remind me a lot of the corporate world.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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If it's against Russians who are invading Ukraine . > "We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement."

What counts as "credible"?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

#57
post #7

Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

It's curious as to why we don't treat western govt / media sources as "propaganda" but everything Russian is. I fully agree with the label, but its not being applied to the west. How long were western media just regurgitating that "biolabs" was "Russian disinformation" and writing "fact checks" which just parrot the official government narrative until they realized the Russians were going to capture them then they just admit it in an open hearing? I don't believe a word of what either side says. The moral superiority gap has shrunk to next to nothing.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Am I right to assume what Meta would adhere to the same principles in any other similar case? Eg (countries and nationalities are work of fiction and are the products of the author's imagination):

    $string = 'Two weeks into $country1's war in $country2, a Meta spokesperson said on Thursday the company had temporarily eased its rules for political speech, allowing posts such as "death to the $nationality invaders," although it would not allow calls for violence against $nationality civilians'
    $country1 = 'Russia', 'US, 'Israel', 'UAE'
    $country2 = 'Ukraine', 'Iraq', 'Palestine', 'Yemen'
    $nationality = 'Russian', 'American', 'Israeli', 'Saudi'

    foreach ($i in 0..3) {...}
In my own personal opinion a company what decides what some people, chosen by some arbitrary attributes, are more equal than others can never claim to have a better moral principles than some $country Ministry of Truth.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

#60
post #21

The next Modern Warfare game is going to be very different than it's FPS predecessors.

I’m honestly hyped for a new golden age of movies and games where Russians are the bad guys. I feel like Russian bad guys always had more character and really made you want to see the hero outmaneuver them. Arabs just didn’t do it for me the last two decades.
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