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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by justapassenger »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

> Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries

Same can be said about media companies, banks, car manufacturers, luxury brands, fast foods, etc.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jotm »

realmod wrote: post #150

At least, more people will now be exposed to our utter hypocrisy. I used to be a staunch supporter of a free unrestricted internet but the disproportionate power US has is unsustainable - and frankly a threat to sovereign nations. China's firewall seems to have been the right path after all.

Oh please. I don't use Facebook, but the only hypocrisy I've seen is Russian news on Youtube. Russia24, for example, actually banned my country (and probably others except Russia) lol, they were getting too many comments from Ukraine, I guess.

This new rule allowing people to call for death to invaders is pretty idiotic, though. I think they made it so people would stop getting reported/banned for calling Russians fascists... a lot of that going on right now.

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Post by zozbot234 »

iso1631 wrote: post #203
zozbot234 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Death to the Russian invaders" is nationalistic propaganda of the sort that Putin likes to point to when he calls Ukrainians "nazis". It's not a sensible call to engage in self-defense. For one thing, it does not properly distinguish between ordinary Russians, of whom there are plenty in Ukraine (Russian even used to be an official language before the Ukraine government removed it as retaliation against the Crimea r…

Are ordinary Russians invaders?

Do we really want to ask that question? We might not like the answer that some Ukrainians may give. Facebook was saying that "calls for violence on Russians" are okay given the context, full stop, then they clumsily backpedaled on the civilians issue and then only for threats they arbitrarily judge as "credible", which tells you how ridiculous the back-pedaling was. This is not going well for them.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jotm »

aiProgMach wrote: post #152
Daniel_sk wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go and ask some countries that were invaded by Russia in the 20th century. They came to help us in the same special operation to Slovakia since 1968 and they finally left in 1989.

Not sure I got your point but Ok. Anyway, assuming that you're either with Russia or with "us" proves my point actually.

It proves that Russia doesn't have many allies. Or any allies.

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Post by jotm »

ModernMech wrote: post #205
jotm wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, what is the country going to do? At best they can launch a cyber attack (or a lot of them). Any physical action would immediately involve the host country - bombing the Facebook HQ for example could be considered a terrorist act or even a war declaration.

Are there still Facebook employees or contractors in Russia? They could be arrested and sent to labor camps.

Oh good point. I thought they pulled out of Russia... if they didn't, they will now.

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Post by justapassenger »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

If you don't change as the world around you is changing, then there's something profoundly wrong with you.

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Post by ModernMech »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #201
trhway wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a genocidal war because Ukrainians are being killed and displaced for refusal to accept a Russian identity. Putin is pretty clear in denying to Ukrainians their identity and statehood. His plans for Ukrainians are like that of Hitler who wanted that land too for Slavic people - displacement and killing of resisting ones, conversion to "Russian" identity for the rest on those lands with limited statehood under c…

A genocidal war is when someone kills an entire group of people over immutable characteristics. One country refusing to accept another country's power doesn't make a genocidal war. Your definition of genocide suggests that every war ever fought was genocidal, which is clearly not the case.

It's one thing to take over a territory from a controlling entity like a government or a king. It's another thing to take over a territory and claim that you're doing so because the ruling regime are Nazis, when they're not; and you're saving the people because they're Russians, when they're not. It's even quite another thing to embrace the ones who welcome your rewriting of history while murdering those who reject it. That's what elevates this to a genocide rather than just a territory grab.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by jasonshaev »

rajin444 wrote: post #145
monklu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

Private companies should not get in the business of policing content. Follow the laws of the land and that’s it. It’s not really a foreign concept. We don’t deny somebody sunlight or air because they do something we don’t like (we as in non government entities - governments do deny people “air”). The world would be a better place if businesses operated as close to a natural resource as possible and left politics to p…

In the US, the 1st amendment grants private companies the right to police content within their purview. Preventing them from doing so is in itself a violation of the 1st amendment. Thus, in my opinion, the suggestion that private companies should NOT police content, despite their explicit 1st amendment right to do so, is antithetical to the 1st amendment.

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Post by iso1631 »

mancerayder wrote: post #71
MisterBastahrd wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.

They used to try. Surely you can conceptualize a spectrum whereby on one the one side, people try very hard to be objective and be good at it, then where maybe they try a little less hard, or lack knowledge, or whatnot, and then continuing on the spectrum, where people throw up their hands and proclaim that no one can be objective, so who cares anyway. I cannot accept the framing as only the last one: that we've magi…

The news I consume presents multiple angles on stories. I heard an interview with a Douma member a couple of days ago who was claiming that Ukraine was bombing its own citizens

The journalist asked her what evidence they had, she said she had some, but when pushed she said "Russians just don't [bomb cities]", and couldn't produce any evidence. other than kept repeating that "Russian Troops do not bomb Ukrainian cities". It's an astounding claim given that we see Ukrainian cities being bombed and we see Russian troops in Ukraine.

There is objective truth, and there is objective lying. Maria Butina was the latter.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by rixed »

xdennis wrote: post #151
holoduke wrote: post #122

To me reading the Dutch headtitle literally saying ' Facebook allows deadcalls' was something I have never read in my entire life in the west. I am shocked by this absurd statement. I am opposing everything related promoting violence.

> I am opposing everything related promoting violence. You can't fight off an invasion with flowers and nice words.

I think you missed the point.

Everybody would be fine if FB users would use FB to coordinate resistance (poor choice IMHO but that's not the point), even if this increased coordination would result in inflicted casualties.

This is a very different thing to allow anyone to call for murder of anyone, regardless of the victim wearing a uniform with a specific flag.

What next ? Shall "we" decide geneva convention does not hold for russians ?

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