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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by theandrewbailey »

trhway wrote: post #190
HonestOp001 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

It is a genocidal war because Ukrainians are being killed and displaced for refusal to accept a Russian identity. Putin is pretty clear in denying to Ukrainians their identity and statehood. His plans for Ukrainians are like that of Hitler who wanted that land too for Slavic people - displacement and killing of resisting ones, conversion to "Russian" identity for the rest on those lands with limited statehood under c…

A genocidal war is when someone kills an entire group of people over immutable characteristics. One country refusing to accept another country's power doesn't make a genocidal war. Your definition of genocide suggests that every war ever fought was genocidal, which is clearly not the case.

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Post by zip1234 »

aiProgMach wrote: post #152
Daniel_sk wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go and ask some countries that were invaded by Russia in the 20th century. They came to help us in the same special operation to Slovakia since 1968 and they finally left in 1989.

Not sure I got your point but Ok. Anyway, assuming that you're either with Russia or with "us" proves my point actually.

At certain times, not taking a side is actually taking a side. Elie Weisel: "And then I explain to him how naïve we were, that the world did know and remained silent. And that is why I swore never to be silent whenever wherever human beings endure suffering and humiliation. We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must – at that moment – become the center of the universe."

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Post by iso1631 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #161
monklu wrote: post #103

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Pardon me, but isn't that exactly what they're doing? > "As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

"Death to the Russian invaders" is nationalistic propaganda of the sort that Putin likes to point to when he calls Ukrainians "nazis". It's not a sensible call to engage in self-defense. For one thing, it does not properly distinguish between ordinary Russians, of whom there are plenty in Ukraine (Russian even used to be an official language before the Ukraine government removed it as retaliation against the Crimea r…

Are ordinary Russians invaders?

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Post by jotm »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

I mean, what is the country going to do? At best they can launch a cyber attack (or a lot of them). Any physical action would immediately involve the host country - bombing the Facebook HQ for example could be considered a terrorist act or even a war declaration.

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Post by ModernMech »

jotm wrote: post #204
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

I mean, what is the country going to do? At best they can launch a cyber attack (or a lot of them). Any physical action would immediately involve the host country - bombing the Facebook HQ for example could be considered a terrorist act or even a war declaration.

Are there still Facebook employees or contractors in Russia? They could be arrested and sent to labor camps.

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Post by boringg »

throwawayacc2 wrote: post #197
trhway wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

I wish I had enough karma to downvote you. You are either extremely uninformed ( to the point where stupidity is actually a better explanation than ignorance) or, more likely, maliciously spreading misinformation. Let me remove any kind of doubt. Ukraine is being invaded by a dictator deserving of all condemnation. Putin has started an illegal war and this is bad. No part of his actions are justifiable. What is not h…

I agree with you completely.

All this talk of genocide and nazism in Ukraine is devaluing the meaning of those words. Yes there is considerable suffering and it is a terrible conflict but, and maybe people don't use words literally anymore or don't care about history, to include either of those words is grossly inaccurate verging on absolute ignorance or troll.

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Post by trhway »

colinmhayes wrote: post #191
HonestOp001 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

I would agree that this isn't genocide, but the russian forces are playing extremely loose with civilian casualties. It's clear that Putin is trying to destroy Ukrainian culture/independent spirit which could be considered a form of genocide I guess.

>the russian forces are playing extremely loose with civilian casualties.

one of the main reason for the indiscriminate shelling and bombing of the cities that Russia conducts is displacement of Ukrainians into the West Ukraine and farther, i.e. ethnical cleansing. The much smaller population left will as a a result have a [scared] pro-Russian majority and will "democratically" vote for the government of Ukraine (or whatever part of Ukraine Russia wants to hold, and they would prefer it to include Kiev as that would make it "Ukraine") doing what Russia wants.

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Post by jotm »

trhway wrote: post #179
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

It's not genocide, but if Russia wins there will undoubtedly be a lot of "cleaning". Their plans include arresting anyone who still resists, and who knows what will actually happen to the arrested.

Judging by the Russian prisons where they rape political prisoners with dirty sticks... it could be pretty bad.

Don't believe me, here's some proof: https://vot-tak.tv/novosti/04-10-2021-iznasilovaniya-v-kolon...

Gulagu.net got 40GB of this shit.

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Post by [deleted] »

colinmhayes wrote: post #191
HonestOp001 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

I would agree that this isn't genocide, but the russian forces are playing extremely loose with civilian casualties. It's clear that Putin is trying to destroy Ukrainian culture/independent spirit which could be considered a form of genocide I guess.

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Post by nuccy »

HonestOp001 wrote: post #185
trhway wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

No, it's not about land, but about people. Russians use casette bombs in cities [1], try to circle and lock cities while continuing to bomb them [2]. Russian pilots know they bomb civil buildings following the orders and continue doing so [3].

Wikipedia defines genocide as:

> Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people, usually defined as an ethnic, national, racial, or religious group.

We can call it as we want. History will judge. But we know the duck test: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

1. https://www.reuters.com/world/un-rights-office-has-credible-...

2. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/11/hell-in-ukraines-ma...

3. https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-pilot-shot-civ...

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