And, from what I’ve admittedly only briefly read, they’d be right to do so. The only reason this should be acceptable is if Ukrainians are sharing intel on where Russian troops are in order to avoid them (that might break some T&Cs so I can imagine those being lifted temporarily). But not this.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…
They could relax their rules to allow for calls to military self-defense in the context of a "military operation" that has been condemned by the UN, while still banning "calls for violence" against Russians. The two are nothing like each other! Self-defense, or "standing one's ground" is not the same as initiating violence.
Is a UN resolution the appropriate standard? The General Assembly vote was non-binding, and it didn't specifically call for violence against Russian soldiers. So that seems like a shaky basis for Facebook to set content policies.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/un-general-assembly-...
To be clear, I support the right of Ukrainians to defend themselves against foreign aggression. I just think these constantly shifting Facebook censorship policies are ridiculous.
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I find it fascinating that people believe that there was ever an unbiased, objective news media. This literally has never been the case in the total history of the industry. Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it.
> Journalists are paid to contextualize the data they find, not to regurgitate it. Data is not information, information is not knowledge, knowledge is not understanding. 'Vaccines contain Mercury' and 'this meal contains Chlorine' is correct information - there is an atom of mercury in the molecule of RNA and an atom of chlorine in table salt.
I think you're agreeing with the quote?
But your examples are not correct information. "We're all made of star stuff" does not mean we're stars. A molecule of RNA is not mercury and table salt is not chlorine.
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Do they allow call for violence and death threats to these people ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings Asking for a friend
This is some very whatabouty whataboutism.
Well, don't we have to compare things to other things to see if they make sense ?
How come all of a sudden call for violence and death is ok ? A private company can decide who's worthy of death threats ? and everybody is ok with that ? War crimes happen every day, there are actual genocides happening right now, nobody gives a flying fuck about them, but oh god, Russia ? fuck them !!! Soon enough we'll call every Russians "monsters" for not rioting against Putin
Looks like it took two weeks for the west to fall back to the classic war time demonisation.
Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook
#145If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.
On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…
Private companies should not get in the business of policing content. Follow the laws of the land and that’s it.
It’s not really a foreign concept. We don’t deny somebody sunlight or air because they do something we don’t like (we as in non government entities - governments do deny people “air”). The world would be a better place if businesses operated as close to a natural resource as possible and left politics to politicians.
It’s dumb luck that sunlight isn’t provided by some corporation. Systems like that are what we should strive for.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Feel free to suggest different rules. Start with the publicly accessible “Community Standards” and edit it to the point where they are consistent and comprehensive in your book with no special cases. We’ll wait. In reality what you might find is that even some obvious rules like “no naked pictures of obvious minors (<10 years) should be allowed” have exceptions to it. And if you can’t reason why this is true (I’m thi…
"Completely objective and fair rules are impossible, so Calvinball it is" is not a credible stance. Facebook's big recent decisions have been: * posting news articles about Hunter Biden's laptop: banned * posting about possible Covid lab leak: banned * calling for death of Russians: thumbs up * praising Azov neo-Nazis: thumbs up Their consistent and comprehensive principle is just serving TPTB. Let's not dress it up…
> calling for death of Russians: thumbs up
As always, disinformation. It's specifically for "Russian invaders".
Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> would adhere to the same principles in any other similar case? Consistency isn’t the paramount principle in a moral system. If you have a compulsion for kicking babies, controlling that impulse most of the time is better than going hog wild on a kindergarten because you lost control once. Facebook is an awful company. But it’s doing the right thing here. That action commendable, even if it’s doer is usually not.
'Consistency isn’t the paramount principle in a moral system.' I think the argument is different- if your moral system contradicts itself logically, it's likely it's hypocritical or self-serving
No, its just likely that the moral system isn't 100% consistent and that's OK in meat-based systems because any system that was 100% consistent would be horrifying, ineffective, or too complex for any meat brain to understand.
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Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.
Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.
Then that would be the 100th thing they’re calling “Azov Battalion.”
I’m half convinced they see the entire country as “Azov Battalion” and whatever they shell will be given the same excuse.
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... that are actively invading a sovereign nation. RTFA
Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook
#150At least, more people will now be exposed to our utter hypocrisy. I used to be a staunch supporter of a free unrestricted internet but the disproportionate power US has is unsustainable - and frankly a threat to sovereign nations. China's firewall seems to have been the right path after all.