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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by dehrmann »

z3t111 wrote: post #74
teruakohatu wrote: post #68

In New Zealand we are currently experiencing our first wave, by captia our case numbers are insane, and reality is vastly higher than what is being reported because the system now relies on self reporting from RAT tests. In an hour we have as many new cases as we had in total in the first two years of COVID. But life is going on as semi-normal, most people are being reasonably responsible. 96% of the 12 yr+ populatio…

"I would be think China would have at least as good vaccination stats as New Zealand" This is probably not true. The Chinese vaccines are known to be much less effective.

Hong Kong also had an issue with hesitancy because covid zero worked so well. Not sure if mainland China has the same issue.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by inglor_cz »

ZYinMD wrote: post #204
user_named wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion china's policies have been the best, maybe together with New Zealand. We've basically been living as normal, much more so than any other country, except for some local cases here and there when there was a month of tightening. That's why I think it's ironic that once the virus basically becomes non-threatening, China has to enter the same type of lockdown as other countries did two years before. And tha…

I wouldn't bet on Omicron being non-threatening. Omicron is less threatening not because it's weaker, but because people have been either vaccinated or exposed before. Now the question is how effective are Chinese vaccines against Omicron (in terms of making symptoms less severe). Still needs to wait and see, probably in the coming weeks.

"Omicron is less threatening not because it's weaker, but because people have been either vaccinated or exposed before."

Omicron likes the bronchi more than the lungs, which translates into a lot less pneumonia cases. That is the reason why so few people die of Omicron.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by qsdf38100 »

dennis_jeeves1 wrote: post #235
pinetlk wrote: post #195

It seems the 0-covid policy is a negative consequence of having so many people so close together. It changes the dynamic of infectious diseases so that you suddenly have 100k people die instead of 100. Still, I am strongly against lockdowns and mandates and so on. The cure is much worse than the disease from my perspective. I have no concern over covid, all of my concern is over what the government will do next. Will…

.I am strongly against lockdowns and mandates and so on. The cure is much worse than the disease from my perspective. I have no concern over covid, all of my concern is over what the government will do next. Thanks for stating that. Even if a disease killed everyone there should never be a lockdown in a truly free society. It follows that no society is free...

Freedom isn’t about being allowed to do _anything_

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by tharne »

imiric wrote: post #57
elric wrote: post #36

Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).

And 8K deaths since 2020: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

> How the WHO can report these numbers with a straight face is beyond me.

I think the WHO understands that they've already lost any credibility they once had and have strategically pivoted to being more of a political organization.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

oauea wrote: post #243
user_named wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, offices become quarantine sites if someone test positive.

Sounds like a good way to get everyone there infected.

...yes, that's how quarantines work? Everyone within the quarantine may get infected, but the virus won't spread to anyone outside.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by dirtyid »

th3iedkid wrote: post #232
ZYinMD wrote: post #192

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It's funny you call it 1G instead of 1B. I've never seen people do that. Now I think about it, why is GB not called BB? Btw, it's 1.5G, not 1G. Btw, the Chinese government lies about many things but the COVID case numbers weren't lies, at least no lies after March 2020.

> the Chinese government lies about many things but the COVID case numbers weren't lies, at least no lies after March 2020. Why would that be?

I would clarify that numbers won't be grossly exaggerated. Because can't disguise compounding numbers for more than a few cycles. Over reporting GDP by 2% consistently for couple decades and real economy would be only 2/3 size as projected. Under report covid for a few days and you have millions of cases instead of hundreds. Also PRC epidemic controls / contact tracing require accurate reporting to even work. The outbreak numbers since March 2020 have been so small that large discrepancies would be hard to hide.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by Proven »

logicchains wrote: post #240
Renaud wrote: post #122

If Hong Kong is any indicator of what's coming in China, the scale of that wave will have serious consequences on the country if they continue to insist on enforcing their stringent (and heartless) zero-covid policy. Be ready for even more supply-chain disruption.

>If Hong Kong is any indicator of what's coming in China, the scale of that wave will have serious consequences on the country if they continue to insist on enforcing their stringent (and heartless) zero-covid policy. Imagine how funny it'd be if China really had deliberately released covid from a lab, but it ended up screwing up China more than any other countries.

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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by aardshark »

vulcan01 wrote: post #236
BossingAround wrote: post #221

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Did someone need any pills? As a person that takes medication daily, this would be extremely painful for me.

If you need medication daily, it is generally a good idea to keep that medication in your backpack if possible. Anything can happen; if you're reliant on something, keep it with/close to you.

Anything can happen, but in China, you are more likely to gave your movement and access to medicine restricted than in much of the Western world.

Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown

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Post by s1artibartfast »

BossingAround wrote: post #221
mrintellectual wrote: post #4

I can sympathize with your situation. I was in an office building in Shanghai last November when it got locked down for 48 hours - nobody in or out. Everybody ended up ordering takeout, and the entire building had to be tested for COVID a total of four times. The most insane part is that they don't even let you take pictures of the lockdown (I almost got my phone confiscated by the police for taking pictures). Also,…

Did someone need any pills? As a person that takes medication daily, this would be extremely painful for me.

It is a whole different ruleset.

In earlier China lockdowns there were stories of infants starving to death after their parents were forcibly locked down.

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