Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
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Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
#232Only a thousand daily cases in a country with a population of 1G? That's either very impressive, or very impressively underreported. For comparison, Belgium currently has 10 times as many daily new cases, with a population that's 100 times smaller (and no lockdown).
It's funny you call it 1G instead of 1B. I've never seen people do that. Now I think about it, why is GB not called BB? Btw, it's 1.5G, not 1G. Btw, the Chinese government lies about many things but the COVID case numbers weren't lies, at least no lies after March 2020.
Why would that be?
Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
> we’re basically letting COVID rip now This is the way. Vaccinate the population as much as possible, then pursue super immunity for what's to come via exposure to this luckily less severe and highly contagious variant while the vaccines are still potent.
I don't know how people square "let everyone get it" with points about how immunity after getting it only seems to stick around for 2 months, or even less with variants! Unless you're saying we should purposefully infect everyone at the same time. I don't have a better answer, but I don't like pretending that this will magically improve just cuz everyone gets sick once.
AIUI lasting immunity is most robust through exposure to the virus after vaccination. Greater than booster shots.
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wrt. mRNA boosters, I know it is a common talking point that China is in trouble because it doesn't have mRNA-vaccines but I believe the vaccines that China have is of the type as the AstraZeneca vaccine, that is commonly used in the UK which now is free of COVID-restrictions. In other words; if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip.
AZ is adenovirus vector (like J&J, Sputnik), SinoVac and Sinopharm are inactivated. > if is China is willing, it can go down the same path of vax-and-let-it-rip Many many fewer Chinese have immunity from having had the virus than Brits
Exactly, quick, strict lockdowns at first puts off the infections to come later when you return a largely non-immune population to business as usual. Zero-COVID should not be the aim, but only to spread out the load on hospitals and emergency care facilities. You want your vulnerable population to get vaccinated, and the less vulnerable who become infected no matter what, build your immune base.
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#235It seems the 0-covid policy is a negative consequence of having so many people so close together. It changes the dynamic of infectious diseases so that you suddenly have 100k people die instead of 100. Still, I am strongly against lockdowns and mandates and so on. The cure is much worse than the disease from my perspective. I have no concern over covid, all of my concern is over what the government will do next. Will…
Thanks for stating that. Even if a disease killed everyone there should never be a lockdown in a truly free society. It follows that no society is free...
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#236I can sympathize with your situation. I was in an office building in Shanghai last November when it got locked down for 48 hours - nobody in or out. Everybody ended up ordering takeout, and the entire building had to be tested for COVID a total of four times. The most insane part is that they don't even let you take pictures of the lockdown (I almost got my phone confiscated by the police for taking pictures). Also,…
Did someone need any pills? As a person that takes medication daily, this would be extremely painful for me.
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#237Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
#238> can't quarantine and hospitalize people for omicron when it is not dangerous There are enough people it’s dangerous for, especially in a population not widely exposed to it and who haven’t had mRNA boosters, that it can cause hospitals to jam up and pictures of grandma dying on a stretcher outside a regional hospital. This is a political big deal when you’ve spent 2 years mouthing off about the decadent West’s poor…
In a managed economy like China, is this as big a deal? At least conceptually they should be better able to reallocate scarce medical resources than we are.
Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
#239It seems the 0-covid policy is a negative consequence of having so many people so close together. It changes the dynamic of infectious diseases so that you suddenly have 100k people die instead of 100. Still, I am strongly against lockdowns and mandates and so on. The cure is much worse than the disease from my perspective. I have no concern over covid, all of my concern is over what the government will do next. Will…
If you look at cities by population density, China isn't even in the top ten: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_proper_by_popul... . Some Indian cities have higher population density than any in China, but they did fine without lockdown.
Re: Tell HN: China Is Entering Lockdown
#240If Hong Kong is any indicator of what's coming in China, the scale of that wave will have serious consequences on the country if they continue to insist on enforcing their stringent (and heartless) zero-covid policy. Be ready for even more supply-chain disruption.
Imagine how funny it'd be if China really had deliberately released covid from a lab, but it ended up screwing up China more than any other countries.