And so the slippery slope becomes more slippery.
It's unlikely that antique/classic cars will ever be banned, although getting gas may start becoming harder to come by in 2050.
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if something makes the wheel turn which actually turns the car. Or is the wheel just a visual indicator.
Most cars still have some aspect of mechanical coupling between the steering wheel and the front wheels in case of electrical failure. There are some cars that have had "steer by wire", but it's still very uncommon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_by_wire#Steer_by_wire
I think it's notable that Steer by Wire on Infiniti Q50 was a reverted change: users apparently wanted anti-torques and vibrations from steering as a cue/driving input.
Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
#143I was at a crosswalk and saw a car with the big cameras on top coming Normally I walk and have confidence the human will stop and not want the consequences, or I at least make eye contact with the human driver for reassurance they will stop This time I ran, mumbling “self driving car fuck that”
This is obviously the real biggest issue facing AV companies. Technology will get there; social acceptance is a bigger hurdle. You have to trust that the machine is at least as likely to stop for you as a human, and that will take a long time for everyone.
I had been beyond the "acceptance" idea, before the cars actually were rolled out, because I believed they would they would be better than humans. I was pretty excited about Lidar. I liked the idea that environmental mix up or collision would be autoupdated to other cars so that they would perform better in the condition, crowd fixing edge cases extremely quickly. But pretty much none of that has happened and the current implementation is a total wtf.
Many cars with self-driving capability do not use Lidar, I can't tell which ones do, the very prominent Teslas do not, and they've have hit people in obviously avoidable circumstances that have nothing to do with "being too predictable in a human world", just total fuckups, and I've seen videos of what the Tesla cars see compared to what they do, and I'm not satisfied with them.
So for most they may have to build trust, for me they have to rebuild trust, because all the companies have pretty much gone the nightmare route making us all cannon fodder.
Re: U.S. eliminates human controls requirement for fully automated vehicles
#144If your vehicle is heading relentlessly toward a group of schoolchildren it would be nice to have a way to override it. Either that or no windows so you won't be haunted by it every night of your life.
We have the technology to replace schoolchildren at a much lower cost than cars
What kind of cars are we talking about? A second grader is aged 7-8. Let's round that up to 8 years to include 9 months of gestation. A model Y starts at $55k. For them to be equal in cost to "replace", the child would need to cost more than $6,875/year to raise. Can you hire a full time nanny for that price? My guess is that the amount of resources/money invested into a child at that age is in the hundreds of thousands.
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Self driving cars will be as safe as the level of criminal liability faced by the makers. Regulatory capture means it wont be high and the potential profits to be realized from first mover advantage here means there will be a significant incentive to "move fast and break things". So to speak. I'd feel safe if an executive who OKs a software update that kills someone risks significant jail time. If that means no self…
I agree that there is a significant monetary incentive to "move fast and kill people". In the end, paying out a few $MM to random families is financially minimal compared to the $BBB that are up for grabs. We will never really have executives going to jail for things like this. We've built a system of profits > anything else.
This has been the status quo for the whole car industry for decades.
If executives were jailed for car accidents people we would have trains and trams in every corner.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you use an autonomous car if the death rate increases but accident rate decreases? I figure deaths per million miles is a good stat
Most people choose to use cars despite that increasing both death rate and accident rate.
>Most people choose to use cars despite that increasing both death rate and accident rate.
In most of the US (not where I live, thankfully) the "choice" is use a car or stay home.
Not much of a choice.
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#147Reading between the lines here this just makes me think that the regulator has become captured by the industry. This is like removing human control on an autonomous Russian roulette revolver that shoots to the side if it detects a person in front of the barrel, then praying for the best.
I find it rather fascinating that we require a human-in-the-loop for a train but not for a car.
It's the same for airplanes. Why is it fascinating?
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Could you share how many accidents happen, rather than deaths? With a source as well, if you happen to be looking it up.
Would you use an autonomous car if the death rate increases but accident rate decreases? I figure deaths per million miles is a good stat
Not sure if you were asking seriously, but: personally, yes.
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#149I was at a crosswalk and saw a car with the big cameras on top coming Normally I walk and have confidence the human will stop and not want the consequences, or I at least make eye contact with the human driver for reassurance they will stop This time I ran, mumbling “self driving car fuck that”
Cars will project to your Apple glasses if they see you or not)
You won't need to interact with vehicles in your Metaverse pod. What were you outside for anyway!?
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
> given autonomous vehicles are eventually possible I think of this as an unproven assumption, not a given.
It may be an assumption, but I think of it as akin to the assumption that Wilbur and Orville Wright had that heavier than air flying craft could become practical. Unproven, but one would be a fool to bet money against it happening on the OP’s “eventually” timeline.
> but one would be a fool to bet money against it happening on the OP’s “eventually” timeline.
Well, I mean, duh. You’d be a fool to bet against seeing a unicorn on an “eventually” timeline. Try to collect and I say it’s not eventually yet.