This is akin to removing the requirement for unicorns to wear horseshoes on the public road.
This is so much so... It looks silly (your comment) but it is spot on.
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#22I took my first self-driving ride last night. One of the wildest parts was watching the steering wheel and hearing the pedals move on their own.
I wonder if something makes the wheel turn which actually turns the car. Or is the wheel just a visual indicator.
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#23I think any automated vehicle, no matter how advanced, should always have a big red button to make it stop whatever it's doing. Kind of like the emergency brake on a passenger train.
Maybe a “stop gracefully” mode? If you hit the big red button going 65mph on the center lane of a crowded highway, it could be bad. Especially if the tech starts to feel safe enough that cars can travel close enough to use the draft from cars ahead. I think an emergency brake works for trains because they’re isolated.
Could be an absurd idea, but could require a licensed driver with experience taking over the wheel instead to steer the car with human logic, instead of trusting the failing AI to park it
Oh wait..
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#24No steering wheels or brake pedals! Feels scary but we are giving technology way more control over our lives already :-).
After removing the steering wheel and making the car fully autonomous, I bet you'll have to pay a subscription for it to drive. And a subscription for a cellular service.
It’s unlikely autonomous cars will be privately owned.
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#25What's going to be the rate of 'acceptable loss'? There's an obvious point on the cost curve where companies will begin pushing for driverless tech before the problem is fully solved. Without some standardized 'miles between intervention' requirement that accounts for the externality on innocent bystanders, the emergent behavior will be to remove the human in the loop before the societally optimal point. If I save $1…
The US department of transportation values a human life at around $10M. So they're willing to spend that amount to statistically save one person.
You do need a number though. People don't like to think about it but you can't value a life at infinity.
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#27What's going to be the rate of 'acceptable loss'? There's an obvious point on the cost curve where companies will begin pushing for driverless tech before the problem is fully solved. Without some standardized 'miles between intervention' requirement that accounts for the externality on innocent bystanders, the emergent behavior will be to remove the human in the loop before the societally optimal point. If I save $1…
> What's going to be the rate of 'acceptable loss'?
You might think anything less than the current incident rate. But that’s looking at it from a group perspective. From an individual perspective, I’ve never been in an accident in ~25 years of driving, so my requirements might be higher than others to feel like autonomous control is safer.
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#29The first sentence of this article has an interesting reading:
"U.S. regulators on Thursday issued final rules eliminating the need for automated vehicle manufacturers to equip fully autonomous vehicles with manual driving controls to meet crash standards."
It does sound like "U.S. regulators are removing regulations.", which does look like they are acting against themselves..
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#30Reading between the lines here this just makes me think that the regulator has become captured by the industry. This is like removing human control on an autonomous Russian roulette revolver that shoots to the side if it detects a person in front of the barrel, then praying for the best.
Driving is already a Russian roulette right? If autonomous vehicles are safer than human drivers as advertised the barrel would just have more capacity.