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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by okamiueru »

eternalban wrote: post #205
inglor_cz wrote: post #35

In the case that Russia actually collapses as a state ... which is not likely, but cannot be ruled out if they lose this war badly (lost wars are an enormous stress test for authoritarian regimes where the ruler gets all the blame, just look at the collapse of Tsarist Russia in 1917) ... a lot of territory would be up to grabs. Kaliningrad could transform to a puppet state of the EU, removing a serious gap in its ter…

What is happening is quite opposite to what you propose. NATO will increasingly be seen as an ineffective formulation for security of Europe as it has been demonstrated by Russia to Europeans. (The choices [it affords] are roll over or start a nuclear war. That's not a 'security' framework.) Sovereign European states will definitely (re)consider reaching 1-to-1, direct, security and treaty arrangements with Russia. S…

You're not saying things that make sense to me. The only currency that has depreciated lately is the Ruble and the Lira (4x that of the 3rd place). So to say that USD has suffered a "fatal blow", sounds to me like propaganda, either by being convinced by it, or generating it. It should be easy enough to look at this data for yourself.

(Not just my opinion, look it up for yourself)

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by eternalban »

okamiueru wrote: post #241
eternalban wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is happening is quite opposite to what you propose. NATO will increasingly be seen as an ineffective formulation for security of Europe as it has been demonstrated by Russia to Europeans. (The choices [it affords] are roll over or start a nuclear war. That's not a 'security' framework.) Sovereign European states will definitely (re)consider reaching 1-to-1, direct, security and treaty arrangements with Russia. S…

You're not saying things that make sense to me. The only currency that has depreciated lately is the Ruble and the Lira (4x that of the 3rd place). So to say that USD has suffered a "fatal blow", sounds to me like propaganda, either by being convinced by it, or generating it. It should be easy enough to look at this data for yourself. (Not just my opinion, look it up for yourself)

When nations are forced to trade around Dollar sanctions for strategic resources that they need, they will use alternative currencies and alternative trade and financial mechanisms. I said nothing about the Ruble, which is a local national currency. We're discussing global reserve currency and mechanisms for global trade.

> propaganda, either by being convinced by it, or generating it

A rather cheap shot. You prove my final point about even greater pressures coming to bear on free speech and exchange of ideas.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by random_upvoter »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #220
random_upvoter wrote: post #201

The current situation is already a catastrophe as it is. The best possible outcome at this time is that this war is ended as soon as possible even when this means handing a few victory points to Russia. It is the only way at lot less Ukrainians will die and then I'm just ignoring the potential outcome of further escalation. Nothing the West is doing right now is working towards this outcome. We still seem to believe…

> best possible outcome at this time is that this war is ended as soon as possible even when this means handing a few victory points to Russia why for the love of god would the West support Russia and not the wishes of the Ukrainian people? I don't understand this reasoning and have even heard it among some of my ultra-religious friends or extended family members. None of them has any skin in the game other than stee…

> why for the love of god would the West support Russia and not the wishes of the Ukrainian people?

First, the people of Ukraine are free to decide to do what they think is best and "we", as in the West, are free to decide to do what we think is best. Those things do not need to coincide.

Secondly, two million Ukrainians have already decided to forfeit the game outright rather than stay and/or fight. All throughout history a minority decides on war and a majority either huddles or flees. So you tell me what it is that "the Ukrainian people" wish.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by ceejayoz »

belter wrote: post #235
ceejayoz wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not saying they do not happen, just that I can't recall any. Do you have some examples? The U-2 and SR-71 flew deep into Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident We repeatedly enter Russia's ADIZ ( https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/26/politics/russian-fighter-jets... ) and China's ( https://breakingdefense.com/2013/11/chinas-new-defense-zone-... ) and explicitly do not acknowledge other nations' ADIZs for…

Those are correct. But if you have to go back to the 60's and the core of the Cold War with the Soviet Union, I am going to think in the last 20 years there are not many events...

You certainly don't have to go that far back.

https://twitter.com/SCS_PI/status/1373886128177041410

Well inside China's ADIZ.

(I'd also note the article with the headline "Russian aircraft violated European airspace nearly 300 times" actually uses "flying close to NATO airspace" in the text. Russia's doing the same thing we do - fly close, violating ADIZs, and testing responses.)

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nullifidian wrote: post #239
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #158

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> Crimea it at least 70% ethnic Russian So are parts of Ukraine who are vigorously resisting the Russian invasion. Identity is tricky. Many once ethnic and/or linguistic Russians may choose to identify differently, to be governed differently, and that’s their right. The modern “Russian” ethnicity, as one distinct from e.g. Ukraine, is only a few hundred years old [1]. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus '

>So are parts of Ukraine who are vigorously resisting the Russian invasion. To be pedantic, Ukraine's regular military forces are vigorously resisting the Russian invasion, not parts of Ukraine. Regarding the ethnic and identity composition of Ukraine's military forces -- I have no idea.

> Ukraine's regular military forces are vigorously resisting the Russian invasion, not parts of Ukraine

There is widespread protest and limited insurrection in occupied cities, together with mass enrolment by the population in the military. The Ukrainian people, perhaps more than the state, are repelling this invasion. (In strong alliance with Moscow’s military incompetence.)

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by baybal2 »

random_upvoter wrote: post #243
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> best possible outcome at this time is that this war is ended as soon as possible even when this means handing a few victory points to Russia why for the love of god would the West support Russia and not the wishes of the Ukrainian people? I don't understand this reasoning and have even heard it among some of my ultra-religious friends or extended family members. None of them has any skin in the game other than stee…

> why for the love of god would the West support Russia and not the wishes of the Ukrainian people? First, the people of Ukraine are free to decide to do what they think is best and "we", as in the West, are free to decide to do what we think is best. Those things do not need to coincide. Secondly, two million Ukrainians have already decided to forfeit the game outright rather than stay and/or fight. All throughout h…

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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by okamiueru »

eternalban wrote: post #242
okamiueru wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not saying things that make sense to me. The only currency that has depreciated lately is the Ruble and the Lira (4x that of the 3rd place). So to say that USD has suffered a "fatal blow", sounds to me like propaganda, either by being convinced by it, or generating it. It should be easy enough to look at this data for yourself. (Not just my opinion, look it up for yourself)

When nations are forced to trade around Dollar sanctions for strategic resources that they need, they will use alternative currencies and alternative trade and financial mechanisms. I said nothing about the Ruble, which is a local national currency. We're discussing global reserve currency and mechanisms for global trade. > propaganda, either by being convinced by it, or generating it A rather cheap shot. You prove m…

I mean. By all means, explain further what is meant by "death blow", and how that somehow applies to the currency used by the global market. The rest of the world will be able to trade just fine, as far as currency exchange is concerned. The only issue is for those who have halved their buying power.

The the rest of the world clearly disagrees with your assessment, as if they did not, it would be reflected in the evaluation of the USD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Dollar_Index

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by myko »

tada131 wrote: post #197
myko wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/08/vitaly-gerasim... >> The intelligence arm of the Ukrainian defence ministry said Maj Gen Vitaly Gerasimov, chief of staff of the 41st Army, had been killed outside the eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, along with other senior officers. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/andrei-sukho... >> Andrei Sukhovetsky was the commanding general of the Russian 7th Airbo…

RIP

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Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by random_upvoter »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #220
random_upvoter wrote: post #201

The current situation is already a catastrophe as it is. The best possible outcome at this time is that this war is ended as soon as possible even when this means handing a few victory points to Russia. It is the only way at lot less Ukrainians will die and then I'm just ignoring the potential outcome of further escalation. Nothing the West is doing right now is working towards this outcome. We still seem to believe…

> best possible outcome at this time is that this war is ended as soon as possible even when this means handing a few victory points to Russia why for the love of god would the West support Russia and not the wishes of the Ukrainian people? I don't understand this reasoning and have even heard it among some of my ultra-religious friends or extended family members. None of them has any skin in the game other than stee…

> I'm only speaking for myself but there isn't a thing in the world I wouldn't do if I'd have to defend my own family even that means wiping out half of humanity. If I'd think very hard about I'd even wipe out part of my own blood to ensure survival of my own offspring.

The Russian army has no interest in harming your family. It wants to achieve a set of political aims using violence, and to achieve those aims they are perfectly willing to harm your family. So it's those aims you need to make up your mind about, while considering the possible harm to your family that you will likely be unable to stop.

Re: Japan has declared today that the southern Kurils is their sovereign territory

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Post by smcl »

eadmund wrote: post #229
Navarr wrote: post #99

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Speaking only as an American, I don't think we really know what Crimeans want. Russia isn't well-known for legitimate democratic voting, and the Crimean referendum has never been acknowledged by Western Democracies. I would not be starkly opposed to Crimean independence, nor even Russian-integration, but in essence it looks like Russia took Crimea and then held a fake referendum to legitimize it. But the question alw…

> Should we support the concept of the Confederate States of America seceding from the United States? If California or Texas wanted to secede, should we support it? Yes. The Tenth Amendment reads, 'The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.' There is no power delegated to the United States by the Con…

It's a great example of handling a peaceful exit from a political union, but in terms of maintaining the existence of "The United Kingdom" it remains to be seen. There was no civil war, but it was polarising enough that it could well have lit the fuse that ultimately tears the country apart over time.

Scotland voted against its independence referendum in no small part due to fear-mongering about an independent Scotland being barred from joining the EU. The independence issue was then considered absolutely settled for a generation at least. However post-Brexit that has rightly called this into question, with still strong SNP support Westminster will have to reckon with that soon enough. Irish reunification isn't something I'm too familiar with the intricacies of, but they were pro-EU too and the Irish Sea border doesn't exactly strengthen the unionists case.

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