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Post by coldtea »

politician wrote: post #525
coldtea wrote: post #440

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> Do you support a global nuclear exchange? Sometimes bad things are necessary to forestall worse things. Who said sanctions would "forestall" that?

The strategic apparatus of NATO, the folks that have been studying this issue since the Cold War, have said it by doing it ("actions speak louder than words"). With 73k karma, I'm confident in asserting that you've been around enough to know that NATO has a playbook for this and is working through it. Or how did you think they not only settled on a course of action but gained consensus so quickly?

>The strategic apparatus of NATO, the folks that have been studying this issue since the Cold War, have said it by doing it

So, let's trust the "brains" of a Cold War apparatus for western dominance, involved in tons of wars, destabilization of governments, and so on, when it comes to how to get world peace...

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Post by x1ph0z »

lowkey wrote: post #731
leshow wrote: post #675

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I'm sure the world would love to hear your solution for how to end the conflict in Ukraine with zero collateral damage anywhere. To me, it seems like there is simply no way to make the ruling class of Russia suffer without invariably harming the average Russian.

Unfortunately I don’t have the perfect answer to immediately end this conflict with no collateral damage to anyone as you said. That doesn’t mean I advocate arbitrarily punishing innocent civilians for the actions of their rulers - especially when those rulers are proven to be authoritarians who can and will ruthlessly crush dissent from their populace. If you read my other comments on this thread you will see I shar…

Throughout this thread it sounds like you’re bemoaning the fact that there are no ‘precision bombs’ for the Russian economy. So you’d rather do nothing? We’ve seen what appeasement to dictators achieve.

Re: Russians are trying to flee – data from Google Trends

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Post by mkl95 »

hatsubishi wrote: post #870
mkl95 wrote: post #866

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> Rent for a room in a city centre goes from 200€, nice flat 500€ big one 600€ Rent for a room in the centre of Barcelona or Madrid goes from €500, nice flat €900 big one €1200+. If you work in tech, there's a high probability that you work for a company with their HQ there. If you combine that with the fact remote work culture is still settling in, there's also a high chance that you also live there. > You can buy a…

Of course it depends of the city, bigger cities, right in the middle it can go up to 2-3k€ a month. I'm not saying right in the middle but close to the centre, maybe 10 min by metro. Also Spain is not Barcelona and Madrid. You're saying a lot of wrong things, for starters > Spain is ideal for a digital nomad that is willing to live in some run down area or what people call "Empty Spain". As a tech worker, and digital…

Alicante has an awfully high unemployment rate and is widely known as a run down area -you just have to look at some of the properties you linked-, except for a few towns in the Costa Blanca.

Alicante is in no way representative of Spain. It should be very close to the bottom of the list, if not at the very bottom.

> I have a high german salary and chose to live here in Spain because quality of life is much higher than in central Europe, including Baden-Württemberg, Czechia, Poland, etc.

Guess what, most people working in Spain don't have "high German salaries".

Also, the average engineer in Alicante makes way less than 40k. Actually, there's a ~20% chance that they don't have a job in the first place. The average senior engineer makes about 45k in the most expensive areas of the country, before paying ~20-25% of it in taxes.

Keep in mind that 43% of Spaniards save less than €100 a month, with 23% of the population not saving any money at all. https://www.europapress.es/economia/finanzas-00340/noticia-4...

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Post by [deleted] »

ericmay wrote: post #555
utrack wrote: post #359

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North Korea imprisons friends and family of their defectors, btw.

Yep. And to take this further this would be like someone strongly supporting the North Korean regime and then when they faced the consequences of their actions just skipped down to South Korea and lived happily ever after while millions have suffered for the regime you actively supported. Sorry no sympathy.

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Post by risyachka »

akrymski wrote: post #867
risyachka wrote: post #588

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>> There is a very small number of protesters. You sure? Or just speculate to support your point?

I follow russian anti-war channels where people share videos of protestors. Numbers are very small I'm afraid (more cops than protestors).

You should join some groups in viber/telegram of people that actually live there, and see for yourself.

The only small numbers are russian army that wants to take a 44 mil country with weapons, cities, etc by their demotivated 150k troops that don't have the slightest clue how to fight.

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Post by CapricornNoble »

jquery wrote: post #303
CapricornNoble wrote: post #237

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>>>still he is using talking-points that come from Kremlin's propaganda, like "The US will fight Russia to the last ukrainian" That's considered "Russian propaganda"? We've managed to goad Putin into grinding up his conventional military in a large-scale war. We've set the Russian economy back decades. And we've so far pulled off both of these, without any NATO member paying a massive price in blood for it. Russian p…

Don’t let Putin off the hook for his own bad decision to invade. The USA did nothing but tell the world what Putin was planning, we did not goad him into it. Nobody put a gun to Putin’s head and said invade or else.

I look at it like this:

The US has spent ~15 years holding it's finger 5mm in front of Russia's eye saying "I'm not touching you...I'm not touching you....I'm not touching you." When that hasn't been working, we then whispered "Oh by the way, I'm the reason your ex-wife Ukraine left you. I'm definitely touching her." When Russia finally snaps, slaps our hand out of its face, and uppercuts Ukraine**, we sit there with a smug look on our facing going "Dude, why are you such an asshole?"

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Post by politician »

coldtea wrote: post #871
politician wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The strategic apparatus of NATO, the folks that have been studying this issue since the Cold War, have said it by doing it ("actions speak louder than words"). With 73k karma, I'm confident in asserting that you've been around enough to know that NATO has a playbook for this and is working through it. Or how did you think they not only settled on a course of action but gained consensus so quickly?

> The strategic apparatus of NATO, the folks that have been studying this issue since the Cold War, have said it by doing it So, let's trust the "brains" of a Cold War apparatus for western dominance, involved in tons of wars, destabilization of governments, and so on, when it comes to how to get world peace...

For 70 years, MAD has deterred the use of nuclear weapons. NATO both deters and is deterred under this framework, and they have been serious enough to keep things peaceful for 70 years.

I don’t think that you understand that the world that you live in is founded on this one fact, and that these “wars, destabilizations, and so on” are but the limited moves available to a board that it otherwise locked down.

You don’t understand the world state, so you’re mad when wars happen, but you cannot compare even large conflicts like Ukraine to a NATO/Russia or NATO/China conflict. It is in a completely different class.

In the context of a NATO/Russia conflict, nuclear weapons are the weapon of choice, while conventional armies are effectively clean up and a way to annoy at your opponent.

So, yes, let’s trust NATO and we could trust the USSR’s Politburo, and the CCP. We thought we could trust Putin, but now we’re not so sure.

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Post by CapricornNoble »

tim333 wrote: post #701
CapricornNoble wrote: post #237

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>>>still he is using talking-points that come from Kremlin's propaganda, like "The US will fight Russia to the last ukrainian" That's considered "Russian propaganda"? We've managed to goad Putin into grinding up his conventional military in a large-scale war. We've set the Russian economy back decades. And we've so far pulled off both of these, without any NATO member paying a massive price in blood for it. Russian p…

Yup Russian propaganda. Try finding that from any normal / neutral information source.

You've identified two types of information: "Russian propaganda" and "Normal/neutral information sources". Are you aware that there is a third category: "Non publicly-released information"? There is a small demographic of HNers who handle that third information category regularly.

It helps to have coworkers who are ex-JSOC, or ex-NMCC intel briefers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Military_Command_Cent... ). I'll let them know that the conclusions we've drawn mean we are clearly the victims of Russian propaganda. They could use a good laugh.

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Post by lostmsu »

akrymski wrote: post #868
lostmsu wrote: post #813

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In his times there were no easy ways to organize masses of people due to lack of efficient decentralized means of communication.

Social media is mostly banned. Posting anything online against the war is a 15 year jail sentence.

You have a solution to this problem 2 posts up in the chain.

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Post by ledauphin »

mumblemumble wrote: post #259
ledauphin wrote: post #199

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this is a silly caricature. historically, a majority of Americans supported both the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq when they started, and public opinion did not turn against them for several years, and even then it was not an overwhelming majority. Obama campaigned on the folly of those wars but chose to stay involved because it was believed by many that some level of success could yet be achieved for the people in th…

> Americans are in fact at this very moment preventing the US from engaging in this war in Ukraine. The US getting more directly involved in Ukraine was never a likely outcome, for reasons that have nothing to do with American public opinion. Throughout the Cold War, both the USA and the USSR made a policy of never directly engaging in conflict on the same soil, because the risk of it escalating into a nuclear war wa…

this is all very true, but does not negate what i said. the American public does not want to risk nuclear war.
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