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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

lrae wrote: post #199
danShumway wrote: post #185

There's a really surprising amount of confusion in these comments about how copyright (at least in the US) works. More confusion than I expected to see on a site like Hackernews. Emulators are legal, including emulators for current-gen systems. Switch emulation is exactly as legal as Gameboy emulation. You can argue current-gen emulators are irresponsible, you can say they're mostly used for piracy, but Nintendo does…

> More confusion than I expected to see on a site like Hackernews. Kinda funny, because... you're here claiming that Nintendo is (likely) doing something illegal here and are adding to the confusion. The thing is, the removals that are in the press right now, especially the Steam Deck one, had gameplay in them... and as far as I know and understand US law and its current interpretation, Nintendo is likely well within…

The problem is using the process of threatening legal action to suppress speech. This is the very problem that anti-SLAPP statutes are designed to protect against; if they're ineffective in this case, they should be amended to explicitly cover DMCA notices in a way that dissuades using them to suppress speech.

For what it's worth, using a brief clip of an emulated Switch game seems to me to clearly fall under Fair Use. It's transformative and does not substitute for the original work, often non-profit and/or educational, is a small portion of the copyrighted work, and fails to displace any sales.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

aaomidi wrote: post #64
kube-system wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The way people on YouTube get around the legal penalties for false DMCAs is simple: they don't file a DMCA request. There are several other mechanisms by which YouTube will gladly pull content: Content ID, contractual obligations, TOS violation, etc.

I still don't understand why Google went on the route of proactively removing content rather than reactively.

Because the alternative is staring down billion-dollar lawsuits from Viacom and other copyright holders.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by udbhavs »

tvb12 wrote: post #186
causality0 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Botw is quite easy to emulate these days. Even iGPUs like the one in my 5900H laptop can run it at 30+ fps at 1080p resolution.

My weekend plans have changed.

Note that OP is probably talking about emulating it through CEMU, the Wii U emulator instead of a switch one.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by ThrustVectoring »

shirro wrote: post #147

Nintendo have the right to protect their IP and revenue. They have made some iconic games and characters that I would argue are as culturely significant as anything made by Disney. I would like them to be able to keep funding creative people. However their revenues almost entirely comes from the new and not the old. Games don't go into syndication and get tv reruns. They are kept alive by the emulation community and…

Nintendo doesn't - or at least shouldn't - have the right to use the threat of legal action to shut down public discussions they dislike. This is the exact purpose of anti-SLAPP statutes. "Protect their IP", sure, but that means taking action against people who violate their authoritative copyright on the programs themselves, not threatening action against those who merely use brief gameplay footage clips in a highly transformative way.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by inawarminister »

Razengan wrote: post #220
Brian_K_White wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because we don't reproduce by budding. Also it would be 2.something not 2 exactly, because some number of people die from various causes before reproducing.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Why the emphasis on having 2 children instead of 1?

Because you need 2 children to replace their 2 parents in an assumed one husband one wife household.

Of course, due to mortality we actually need more than 2. Around 2.1 - 2.4 for most developed nations IIRC.

And this doesn't hold if the household have more than one wives, say.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

car_analogy wrote: post #190
jmyeet wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Like PC game studios ceased to exist?

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by 3np »

Nintendo didn’t remove anything. YouTube removed them after Nintendo asked them to. Yes, I understand how DMCA tends to work but nobody other than YouTube can effectively remove videos.

(Obvious you most readers here I assume but it’s not just a headline issue - the same framing appears in TFA)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by namlem »

jmyeet wrote: post #131
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

There's a difference between pirating games and making videos about how to install and use emulators. Btw, emulating games isn't piracy if you have a legit copy. There are valid reasons to do so besides piracy. For example, you can play BotW with mods on emulator, which you can't on Switch.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by seba_dos1 »

vlunkr wrote: post #104
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

> - Valve has a bad track record for committing to their own hardware.

They actually have a pretty good track record when it comes to long term support of their hardware. Steam Link and Steam Controller have been getting new features and updates even after becoming unavailable to buy, and from what I heard Index owners can't really complain either. You may be thinking about Steam Machines, but those weren't actually Valve's hardware at all.

> I'm guessing lots of people will install windows.

...and they'll quickly go back to SteamOS, as running Windows on a device like that will come with quite a lot of suffering.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by namlem »

dolni wrote: post #141
jmyeet wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

The aggregation principle exists in a number of philosophical frameworks and is generally quite useful. It shouldn't be considered an absolute of course, but it is wrong to dismiss it entirely.
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