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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by nemo44x »

user_7832 wrote: post #19
jonny_eh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

> A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually. Lower price, yes, but better games? Different games, sure but I wouldn't call them better given that it can run almost everything a windows PC can.

You get Nintendo first party games, considered by millions to be among the best video games.

I have a switch mainly for Nintendo titles.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#102

Post by afrcnc »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I stopped buying their crap years ago. No platform lock for me.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#103

Post by remram »

joenathanone wrote: post #27

I wouldn't have known about this if not for the take down, now I am interested in purchasing a Steam Deck.

You could always play on PC with the same emulator. If you want a handheld device to play Switch games, the Switch is lighter and cheaper (though I suppose you'll have to pay for the games).

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#104

Post by vlunkr »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf.

I really doubt it.

- It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch

- It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear anyone?)

- Valve has a bad track record for committing to their own hardware. Remember how everyone also thought SteamOS was going to be the big takeover and it barely even happened?

- It runs linux. I run linux and love it, but running specific games, correctly interfacing with a variety of inputs and displays, it's just not going to be as smooth as a console with a dedicated OS. I'm guessing lots of people will install windows.

- Their marketing is basically non-existent next to Nintendo. It's impressive how successful Steam is without really marketing, but that won't fly in the console space. Having a successful console launch is incredibly hard. Nintendo only manages it about half the time.

- From what I've read, the emulation isn't perfect. Switch emulators even on desktop hardware can't necessarily handle every game well, why would the Steam Deck be able to?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by [deleted] »

endisneigh wrote: post #11
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest. The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive. Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#107

Post by sjmulder »

ascar wrote: post #47
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

I love the Switch and I'm a big fan of many Nintendo franchises but Nintendo has a habit of screwing over honest customers, especially early adopters, and their retro efforts are a good example of that:

People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious input lag. Instead of fixing it for those customers who already paid (sometimes twice) for those games, Nintendo released the NES Classic which had a much better emulator… but only if you paid again.

(There also wasn't cross-buy/play between Virtual Console 3DS and Wii U, as opposed to e.g. Sony's PS3 and Vita's PS1 support.)

Then came the Switch with Nintendo Switch Online. Putting aside subscription vs. purchasing, the experience is great. But all those Virtual Console games you have? Can't play them. Pay again.

Remaster are cool but the way Nintendo approaches them is another example of how early adopters get the short end, with Wii U games getting re-releases on Switch (great) with additional content like Bowser's Fury (also great) but without making that content available as DLC to people who already paid full price for the original versions.

(By the way, those NSO N64 games aren't part of the basic subscription)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by initplus »

caddemon wrote: post #94
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

Anything downloaded from the Switch e-shop will continue to work locally on that Switch, and all the mainstream games can be bought as a cartridge if desired. It's not fundamentally different than dragging out my old N64 to play my old games from the 90s. I don't consider that "renting", and I can't remember the last time I had the desire to play one of my decade+ old games anyway. Very few of them aged well compared…

Not being fundamentally different to the N64 purchase model from 1996 is the problem!

And in fact it’s actually worse given that many titles are available digital only.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#109

Post by 999900000999 »

gambiting wrote: post #96
999900000999 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This completely encourages piracy of recently released software. You can't give me the archivist argument that there's no other ways to experience these games. Nintendo is not targeting the same market as the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck still looks too much like a prototype for me to want to buy it. A very large percentage of games available on Steam will simply not work on a steam deck. Nobody knows if it's even poss…

>>Nobody knows if it's even possible to get Microsoft Game Pass running on it What do you mean nobody knows? Just install windows on it, and play your Gamepass games? Same with the Epic launcher. >>It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. That's not even remotely comparable. May I remind you that in US Sony has lost the legal battle against Blem! Em…

There's no way to legally dump a switch rom.

It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA.

Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do.

You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it looks like nothing works yet.

https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-steam-de...

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#110

Post by ekianjo »

vlunkr wrote: post #104
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

> - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch

did you miss the fact that they now sell undockable Switch versions?

> m guessing lots of people will install windows.

You will be surprised. A lot of customization went in steamOS that wont be easily done on a windows build

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