Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube • Hacker News Board

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by endisneigh » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:00 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I mean, of course Nintendo would hate piracy. You might say emulation can be used with legit roms, or roms for games you’ve purchased, but let’s be honest.

The fact Nintendo even exists at all in the face of competitors orders of magnitude bigger is impressive.

Nintendo’s position is and always will be that you can only play their games on their platforms.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jonny_eh » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:03 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got

A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by PebblesHD » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:05 PM UTC

fermentation wrote: post #6

Nintendo has a history of being very anti-emulation (see https://www.nintendo.com.au/legal/information ). With their stance it's no wonder their own first-party emulators are so poorly made.

> Also, the limited right which the Copyright Act gives to make backup copies of computer programs does not apply to Nintendo video games.

That seems like quite an assertion, largely untested in Australian courts I would assume, as our consumer watchdog is usually pretty good at ensuring we’re able to exercise what relatively few rights we do have in regards to purchased products.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by throwanem » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:06 PM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #8

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

A judge would consider the fair use argument. I don't know that YouTube employs judges in content moderation. (I don't know that YouTube employs humans in content moderation, at least below director level.)

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

jay_kyburz wrote: post #8

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I think the interesting question is, how are they doing it? I would think if you kept the game shots short and incidental the copyright would be fair use.

Doesn't matter. Nintendo send a takedown notice, it gets taken down.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jrimbault » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:07 PM UTC

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Japanese animations studios seem equallly litigious.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jklinger410 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #5

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

Nintendo hates emulation that isn't generating Nintendo revenue, to be specific. They sell emulator hardware and emulator software via their platforms.

They would make more money from emulated content if they allowed you to transfer your purchases to the next generation console.

So they don't just want to make money off of it, they want every emulated Nintendo title to survive the same way Grand Theft Auto or Skyrim does, except it's just you buying it over and over again on the newest Nintendo console.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jeroenhd » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #12

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

It sure is, but the cost of ownership if the Switch is higher than that of the Steam deck. Games on Steam are cheap and plentiful.

The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front, let alone the one people expect to be better.

There are plenty of platformers out there, but only one company can use Mario. The games on the Switch are pricey, but the console is affordable, making it excellent for multiplayer gaming.

I don't think it has a lower price and better games in practice. They did manage to corner the portable gaming space with their 3DS and Switch, which all major competitors abandoned. Now they're at risk of losing that too.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by user_7832 » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:09 PM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #12

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

> A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

Lower price, yes, but better games? Different games, sure but I wouldn't call them better given that it can run almost everything a windows PC can.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by usrusr » Thu, Mar 03, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

candiddevmike wrote: post #7

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

There has to be an alternative reality where I can purchase Nintendo software on Steam, right? Nintendo would make so much money...

Sounds like a MacOS on third party hardware situation to me. Brand dilution and all that. I wouldn't expect that before they are end-of-days desperate.