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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by jmyeet »

jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious.

A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don't.

And failing that if you want to just steal, then just steal. But what really rubs me the wrong way is when people who have chosen to steal start moralizing their position like they're standing up for some vague rights or principles. At least be honest about it. The hyporcrisy, intellectual dishonesty, bad faith arguments and self-delusion is in many ways worse than the theft.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#132

Post by bcrosby95 »

cassac wrote: post #59
user_7832 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually. Lower price, yes, but better games? Different games, sure but I wouldn't call them better given that it can run almost everything a windows PC can.

Yes, better games. Nintendo first party titles from their Zelda, Mario and Mario Kart franchises are consistently among the best games for their time period with some of the biggest appeal across the gamer spectrums. If I could choose only one system it would be the switch easily. If only it had Valheim on it I would never put it down.

This really depends upon what you enjoy. I prefer strategy games and I would take exclusively Paradox games over all the games on the switch combined, nevermind everything else I can find on steam.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by bdowling »

This isn't only a copyright issue. Nintendo can also complain that these videos create a likelihood of confusion regarding an association between Nintendo and Steam Deck. That's a trademark issue, not copyright.

Before you say, "No reasonable person would believe that Switch games running on Steam Deck are authorized by Nintendo," that's an argument that you raise when you are sued for trademark infringement. No one wants that, so they take the videos down.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#134

Post by [deleted] »

ascar wrote: post #47
hombre_fatal wrote: post #26

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Switch has an e-shop with expensive games that will eventually get offlined within a couple generations like the ones before it vs. Steam, an e-shop with every game, for cheaper, including all the games people bought over the last two decades. I can imagine how disruptive a successful Steam entry into the console space could be once people realize they are tired of "renting" $60 games from ad-hoc console e-shops.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#135

Post by notyourwork »

jmyeet wrote: post #131
jeroenhd wrote: post #2

Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don't.

+1 I like hacking and tinkering with tech but these should not be socialized solutions for the masses. They are fun hobby projects, if you want the thing go buy it. The money supports the thing and is the reason it exists.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

sjmulder wrote: post #107
ascar wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree hard on this. Nintendo was on the forefront of making old games playable on the new hardware. On the switch you can play many old SNES and N64 classics included in the Nintendo online subscription at ~2-4€ a month. They re-released childhood favorites like Zelda Ocarina of Times and Super Mario 64 on the 3DS and I actually bought the 3DS (in a special Zelda variant no less) just for that and Majora…

I love the Switch and I'm a big fan of many Nintendo franchises but Nintendo has a habit of screwing over honest customers, especially early adopters, and their retro efforts are a good example of that: People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious…

> People who purchased games on the original Wii Virtual Console had to pay per-game fees to upgrade to native Wii U versions. As if that wasn't cheeky enough the Wii U NES emulation was terrible. Bad colors and serious input lag. Instead of fixing it for those customers who already paid (sometimes twice) for those games, Nintendo released the NES Classic which had a much better emulator… but only if you paid again.

I'm definitely not going to defend how bad the Wii U emulators were, but asking users to pay for a new emulator doesn't seem so unreasonable to me. Developing an emulator takes work. If you don't want to use the new emulator, play the game in Wii mode.

Yes, paying for the emulator on a per-game basis is weird, but any other model would be prohibitively difficult for consumers to understand.

> Remaster are cool but the way Nintendo approaches them is another example of how early adopters get the short end, with Wii U games getting re-releases on Switch (great) with additional content like Bowser's Fury (also great) but without making that content available as DLC to people who already paid full price for the original versions.

But again, Nintendo had to port the game to the Switch, so I think it's reasonable to charge for that. And while they certainly could have instituted some sort of upgrade pricing model, it would have quickly become prohibitively complicated, particularly when you start considering retail versions of the game.

My feeling is, I paid $60 for Mario 3D World in 2013 because it was worth (more than) $60. I already played it and got my money's worth. The Switch version doesn't have enough new content for me to justify paying another $60, but for anyone who never owned a Wii U, it's a great deal and I'm happy for them.

Games (particularly non-Nintendo games) often become much cheaper if you don't mind waiting a few years, if not less.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by monksy »

ascar wrote: post #66
monksy wrote: post #60

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If you have to pay a subscription and that's the only way to play the classics there.. that's not free

Well that's why I said "or". I'm honestly not sure, I never tried to play them while not having a subscription. The subscription at 20€/year is much cheaper than what Microsoft or Playstation are offering though. Edit: I looked it up, it requires the subscription and updated my comment accordingly.

:thumbsup: No worries.. I just get tired of the arguement that "well you get these things for free if you put yourself through a subscription" (That same arguement exists on the PSN and their "free games")

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saltminer wrote: post #52
AussieWog93 wrote: post #35

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I think you're comparing Apples with Oranges when you mention the price of Switch games. Sure, a three year-old Pokemon game might still cost $40, but you have a cartridge you can resell and get almost all of that money back (or even more, if you're happy to wait a few years). With Steam, every dollar you spend is gone forever.

For the games that have cartridges, sure. When I bought a "physical copy" of Puyo Puyo Tetris, I thought it would be a cartridge but it was just a code to redeem inside a case. Waste of plastic if you ask me.

Respectfully, if you read the box it's pretty clear what you're getting.

What annoys me more are cartridges that (literally) require an additional online download. But even then, game covers are pretty clear about the requirement. I avoid those games.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

#139

Post by 0xcde4c3db »

gambiting wrote: post #117
999900000999 wrote: post #109

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There's no way to legally dump a switch rom. It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it loo…

>>It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. I don't live on the US and there's literally nothing illegal about dumping a switch ROM here. DMCA doesn't have any authority here. Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own and this particular scenario hasn't been tested in court so at best you are speculating. >>Let's be honest for…

> Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own

Not in the sense that we usually refer to "rights" in US law. The big tangle here is that Congress essentially passed one law that said making copies is only legal under one set of conditions, then passed a different law saying that breaking DRM is only legal under a different set of conditions.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Post by 999900000999 »

gambiting wrote: post #117
999900000999 wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to legally dump a switch rom. It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. Let's be honest for a second, almost no one who's running a switch emulator legally purchase those games, and then dumped those games to a file. Sure, it's possible but that's not what 99.9% of users are going to do. You attempt to install Windows on a Steam Deck, but it loo…

>>It's just what it is, you'd have to crack the DRM on it and that's already a violation of the DMCA. I don't live on the US and there's literally nothing illegal about dumping a switch ROM here. DMCA doesn't have any authority here. Besides, even in US you have the right to make a copy of the media you own and this particular scenario hasn't been tested in court so at best you are speculating. >>Let's be honest for…

YouTube is an American based company, therefore they should not encourage the violation of American laws.

Additionally, YouTube has a right to act in their own best interest. Nintendo also runs advertising on various Google products, if responding to their DCMA request makes it easier for Google to turn a profit, why not?

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