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Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?"

This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Is it difficult to notice that you're in the minority here?

It's not acceptable to prohibit a use case because some people are using it for illicit purposes, assuming that all aren't. Game producers would like to claim that all such uses are fundamentally illicit. The point of my comment was to reject that claim, not to claim that the majority of users are licit. (There's a separate argument that I'd also make that all such uses should be entirely accepted, but that's an orth…

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Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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> The Steam deck doesn't just threaten the outdated hardware of the switch in terms of games and gaming performance, it threatens Nintendo's platform on its own turf. I really doubt it. - It doesn't include a dock or any external controller without paying more. This was the entire pitch for the Switch - It's more expensive and has worse battery life. Better graphics don't matter that much on a tiny screen. (Game Gear…

> Valve has a bad track record for committing to their own hardware. Remember how everyone also thought SteamOS was going to be the big takeover and it barely even happened? You seem to be unaware that SteamOS was a a resounding success in its primary goal: to stop in its tracks Microsoft's plan to turn the Windows OS into a locked-down walled garden that would run only MS-approved software* (by threatening them to s…

A history of releasing projects where actual successful adoption of the product wasn't the real goal isn't the defense you think it is.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

While true, that isn't the point of the rule. The meaning is that _if_ everyone did what you do, what _would_ happen. The practi alities of that are irrelevant. It's really about asking yourself if your actions are sustainable or damaging by scaling them up.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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post #131
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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

People think theft is liberation, which is… a problematic notion. “Everybody should have rights to enjoy / read…”

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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post #141
post #131

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I'm all for emulating systems that don't exist anymore. But this commenter's level of naive entitlement is beyond obnoxious. A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" In this case, Nintendo would cease to exist. Maybe you'd be happy about this. Plenty of people wouldn't. Switches are generally available and not that expensive. If you want to play Switch games, buy one. If you don't, don'…

> A good rule to live by is to ask "what would happen if everyone did X?" This is an awful rule to live by. There are very few things in the world that _everyone_ would actually do.

This is a well established philosophical concept referred as Kant universality laws. It is a good rule to live by. Makes it obvious that cutting in line is immoral because lines could not exist if everybody did it.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nintendo have the right to protect their IP and revenue. They have made some iconic games and characters that I would argue are as culturely significant as anything made by Disney. I would like them to be able to keep funding creative people.

However their revenues almost entirely comes from the new and not the old. Games don't go into syndication and get tv reruns. They are kept alive by the emulation community and I would argue it builds support for Nintendo's IP rather than do them damage. I have a kid whose first exposure to Metroid was Metroid Dread which he loved. We have a Wii but it is struggling a bit and he is playing through the Prime trilogy on Dolphin. No question he is going to go nuts when Nintendo release Prime 4. Cheap marketing.

I have been tempted to rip our Switch games to run on Yuzu but to be honest the Switch (we have 3 in the house) is just an ideal platform for these games and playing on a PC is going to be a worse experience in almost every way. The story is very different with older platforms. These will be history soon without emulation.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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Nothing new here. Nintendo hates emulation with a passion. It passionately hates ways people enjoy their devices and platforms in ways they didn't intent. It hates fan projects, it might even hate its fans. Nintendo has a long history of lying in legal documents like DMCAs to take content that doesn't please them down. To be a dedicated fan of Nintendo's franchises is to be a masochist. The Steam deck doesn't just th…

This completely encourages piracy of recently released software. You can't give me the archivist argument that there's no other ways to experience these games. Nintendo is not targeting the same market as the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck still looks too much like a prototype for me to want to buy it. A very large percentage of games available on Steam will simply not work on a steam deck. Nobody knows if it's even poss…

> It's as if someone posted "Here's how you get Netflix for free", and Netflix filed a DMCA request against it. You can't call Netflix the bad guy here. Likewise Nintendo isn't monopolizing an essential service, you can enjoy other content. You just don't have a right to enjoy theirs without paying the entry fee.

Actually, taking the DMCA and Youtube policies out of the conversation for a moment—what is the legality of something like this? It's not illegal to share instructions on how to make a bomb, right?

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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One might say that you bought a license to a game. And that license includes only being run from the physical copy you received. Nintendo is only getting worse with this over time. Just see for example the Breath of the Wild DLC... No physical copy to be obtained, forever bound to your nintendo account.

> One might say that you bought a license to a game One might claim that, and that claim should be rejected.

Isn’t this how the market works? You don’t own the game - you own the game on the platform, for as long as it lasts. This is the base rule for console games. You kinda know the deal when you buy it.

Re: Nintendo is removing switch emulation videos on Steam Deck from YouTube

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> Brand exclusives and a low console price are all it's got A lower price and better games is quite a lot actually.

It sure is, but the cost of ownership if the Switch is higher than that of the Steam deck. Games on Steam are cheap and plentiful. The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front, let alone the one people expect to be better. There are plenty of platformers out there, but only one co…

> The quality requirements of the Nintendo's storefront are ridiculously low. I've seen footage of the Switch WWE game and frankly it should never have been allowed into any store front

Doesn't even look that bad to me compared to what Sony accepts, ranging from "life of black tiger" to Cyberpunk 2077's PS4 release.

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