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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by aiProgMach »

hugojaba wrote: post #690
aiProgMach wrote: post #481

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even when you're admitting that "US did a lot of warmongering in the middle east" you want to give them some excuses, "I get that they wanted to retaliate after 9/11" you say? "retaliate" you say. Against whom exactly? How the (oppressed) Iraqi people or even Saddam Hussein has to do anything with the 9/11? Do I really need to remind you that Saddam was US ally? or that Qaeda was the US ally in the "freedom" war agai…

Honestly, the middle east could have gotten better, there was a possibility that the dictatorships would get replaced by proper democracy, I think the US didn't realize how far down corruption and authoritarianism were rooted in those countries, it is like a Hydra, cut one head, many more grew. For example, Panama, Chile, Germany, Japan, South Korea all turned out better after US intervention. But Afghanistan, Iraq a…

Look, long time ago I became aware that most people who use "democracy" or "freedom" like it's a new kind of religion are permanently brainwashed, you can't even know what's trolling anymore. Anyway, I won't go deep into why certain countries are doing well economically (hint, try to think of the current world order as an empire, some people are punished some are rewarded and most of it is controlled by the empire capital, Japan & S.Korea are useful to surround China so they get to play certain role, when Japan do better than expected/allowed it get punished for that with sanctions, etc). The point is even if we accepted "democracy" and "freedom" as the new religion, US is the most anti-new-religion country here, US supported the worst dictatorships and still doing that (Saddam, KSA, UAE, South Africa, Sadat & Mubarak Egypt, Jordan, Israel....) and it attempted uncountable number of successful or failed coups around the world since at least 1940's (Syria). All or most US actions can be clearly explained by some geopolitical / Economical reasons. we really can't know if the "middle east" can do better or not until USA leave it alone and stop stealing/controlling it's oil or orchestrating a war there every few years. It might happened that you were born in some rich country that got benefited from the current world order, enjoy that before it ends (it's changing a bit right now actually) but don't assume that you have the higher moral ground to tell how other people should live, because you don't.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by throw_a_grenade »

bvrmn wrote: post #548
sakopov wrote: post #472

The reason Russia has elevated tyrants to power for centuries is deep-rooted in Russian soul to the point where it's not even a problem. It's something that is inexplicably difficult to understand unless you actually experience the culture for a good portion of your life. There is a lot of literature out there about the "Russian Soul" and I really recommend reading it to understand how this happens. In my opinion it'…

There is no such thing like Russian soul. But Bolshevist legacy and Checkist persons in control. See how Korea was split and become completely different countries from the same people.

> There is no such thing like Russian soul.

There is: https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%D1%81%D0%.... That you don't understand it does not make it less real.

As I understand it (I'm from Poland, not exactly Russia, but we share enough culture and history) it's a way of describing something between culture and attitude to life. It's not limited to a phenomenon of extreme political apathy combined with distrust of anyone unknown (this is called homo sovieticus), but also a way of coping with learned helplessness, mostly by expression in family and close relatives.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by bigodbiel »

9214 wrote: post #411
blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

In 2022: zero, unless you have relatives/friends from abroad who are willing to help. I'm mid-20s below-average Russian born and raised in a city with population of 19k (and declining), Ural region. Average salary here is around 200-300 USD, 400 if you are lucky. I emmigrated in 2019 to work with an international startup in Montenegro: and ended up being ostracized and harassed by my manager from another country (won…

Best bet is Southeast Asia or China (but that maybe harder). SE Asians in general happen to view European issues as somewhat distant to them [1]. As such better welcomed, and where also more likely a future Russian expat community is sure to thrive.

[1] https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/southeast-asia...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by corobo »

krageon wrote: post #661
teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

> I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. The Star Trek universe explicitly had a third world war, which was absolutely devastating. In that sense we're doing really well!

We're on track for 2026 too

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by jacquesm »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

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You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

It's impopular because it isn't true. And yet you keep repeating it in thread after thread.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

thinkindie wrote: post #451
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #299

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I heard Russia violated a treaty that prohibited any acts of war for a month or so after the end of the special olympics with this. I don't know the consequences to that, but it's probably trivial compared to international sanctions.

Russia is targeting cities and civil targets, employing bombs that have been banned (cluster bombs), and committing war crimes, I don't think they currently give a damn about the Olympic Truce.

While Russia is committing war crimes, they have not used cluster bombs. AFAIK this claim is based on a report that they were deploying cluster bombs against a civilian mall in Kharkiv. The video shows rapid explosions falling on the mall, but not as rapidly as one would expect to see if cluster bombs were used. Most likely it was Grad (MRLS) missiles. Still likely to be a war crime, but not cluster bombs.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ssijak »

koonsolo wrote: post #511

I have a different message: Go on the street and take control of your country, before you turn into another North Korea. Ukrainians were able to overthrow their government, and so can you.

Are you referring to Viktor Yanukovych in 2014? Honestly, as far as I know, he was democratically elected. Was that not the case?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by seventhtiger »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #491
drran wrote: post #394

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Why US was in Afghanistan in the first place? Uh, they blow up American city...

Wasn't that a citizen of the US ally Saudi Arabia that "blew up American city"? Why didn't you destroy Saudi Arabia instead? Because they pay their tribute in oil, and you had to destroy "someone", and Afghanistan was the first in the alphabetical list of countries that met the criteria for destruction?

He was exiled in 1991 and ostracized by his family, 10 years before 9/11. He wasn't a citizen of Saudi Arabia when the attack was planned and executed.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by poushkar »

a_petukhov wrote: post #558

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First of all, we need to stop talking about all the inhabitants of Ukraine as a single agent who either did something or didn’t. All these years, people in Ukraine have taken different positions in relation to the war in Donbass. Some voted for more hard-line candidates and parties, others for diplomacy. The program of the current president, for whom the majority voted in the elections in 2019, was aimed at a peaceful settlement, the exchange of prisoners and the withdrawal of weapons. Someone has been accepting refugees from Donbass in other regions of Ukraine for years and helping them. According to UN reports, more than a million people from the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine in 2014-16 were forced to relocate to other regions of Ukraine. In 2016, the Ministry for the Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territories of Ukraine was established to coordinate the settlement, assistance and employment of victims of hostilities in the Donbas. There were also those who created projects to help those who remained in the Donbass: Donbass SOS, Vostok SOS, The Land of Free People, Proliska. At the same time, the process of peaceful resolution of contradictions has a main obstacle - the front line. When shells are flying over the Donbass, it is not surprising that many of the locals want anyone to come and stop what is happening with troops. When Donbass is enshrined in Ukraine’s constitution as part of its territory, although it is actually controlled by “LDPR” and Russian troops, it is logical to expect that the internal dialogue in Ukrainian society will include those who will believe that the government has a mandate to return Donbass by military means.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by throwaway3968 »

koonsolo wrote: post #728
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #620

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>Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? This is an important topic. Some EU countries like Czechia are even blocking visas for Russian citizens now and I think this will be a trend in other EU countries. AFAIK, since Russia is the aggressor here and is (on paper) a democratic country (but not really), then its citizens are not considered yet victims of the war, and are most likely not falli…

> They're forced into a conflict they don't want to be in, and are suffering the consequences. Ukrainians are also forced into a conflict they don't want. Unfortunately, it's up to both the Ukrainians and Russians to do something about it, not Ukrainians alone. The Ukrainians clearly made their decision. Now it's up to the Russian people to make theirs.

> Now it's up to the Russian people to make theirs.

There's nothing we can realistically do. It's up to the military to start a civil war.

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