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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by nathias »

Yoric wrote: post #447
nathias wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't holding Russia accountable, they holding Russians accountable and that seems like a terrible thing.

I haven't paid attention to what Google, Amazon, etc. are doing, nor do I particularly care. NATO, EU, Switzerland and a few others are not trying to hold Russians accountable. They are trying to hit the Russian economy strong and hard to demonstrate that Putin's Russia cannot afford a war against the West. That's after Putin and his representatives articulated several times and in no uncertain terms the threat of a…

Would you support banning all US accounts to hold Biden accountable for attacks in Yemen?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by ceilingcorner »

modernpink wrote: post #487
9214 wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2022: zero, unless you have relatives/friends from abroad who are willing to help. I'm mid-20s below-average Russian born and raised in a city with population of 19k (and declining), Ural region. Average salary here is around 200-300 USD, 400 if you are lucky. I emmigrated in 2019 to work with an international startup in Montenegro: and ended up being ostracized and harassed by my manager from another country (won…

The Russophobia that has been pouring out is lamentable. And people don't realise this will only push the Russian people further towards Putin to re-establish their pride. And the sanctions are making this even worse. This mirrors Germany's treatment with the Treaty of Versailles leading up to WWII.

It is really distressing, not only because it’s ethically wrong to blame groups of people for individual actions, but also because it’s pragmatically against the interests of the West. We gain nothing by escalating this.

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #436
teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

Star Trek fleet had actually excellent policies: - "any contact to less developed civilizations is strictly forbidden". - "do not interfere in any way and don't take a side in conflicts of sovereign civilizations". Both of them were crucial. If we followed these principles, the world would be much happier and peaceful place. What do we do instead? Bomb democracy into societies not yet ready for it, force trade agreem…

> If we followed these principles, the world would be much happier and peaceful place.

But countries like Russia would be free to invade Ukraine and others because of the "don't interfere" and "don't take a side" policy. It's like the "I did nothing" poem. NATO was founded to try and prevent another country from building an empire like Germany tried in WW2, because at the time it was like that poem, first they came. Which was about politics and religious groups initially, but it applies to Germany's conquest of Europe as well.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 5e92cb50239222b »

necovek wrote: post #440
ysamjo wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the list of Putin's demands, what should the West has conceded on??

Not necessarily Putin's demands, but there's talk of Russia asking to join NATO way-back-when: not sure if those are trustworthy, but I am pretty confident Russia would have no fear of NATO if it was not sent off, and was instead part of it. Also, recognizing independence for Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine would have helped with the current situation too.

Yeah. I've seen a decent article recently (it's in Russian though) about Russia/NATO talks in the 90s. The felling from 'our' side seems to go like this: we tried to get into NATO or at least prevent them from moving close to our borders, but the NATO paper pushers were afraid of losing their jobs and knocked up a threat when there were none.

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2022/02/02/natokatstvo

Edit: actually, I think the google translate version is plenty readable.

https://novayagazeta-ru.translate.goog/articles/2022/02/02/n...

This is of the main guys who did the talking in the 90s, so you might want to have a gander at it.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

ausudhz wrote: post #323
blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

If the airspace of half of the world is closed for Russia how you think they can even fly? They've sanctions that would even make it impossible for normal people to do a bank transfer in their "new" country.

> If the airspace of half of the world is closed for Russia how you think they can even fly?

First flying to the other half, or taking land transport (at least for the border crossing part).

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

madaxe_again wrote: post #136
cf141q5325 wrote: post #12

You might want to check stuff like virtual office service, incorporation in an EU country, they start really cheap, as well as getting a VPS to bounce from. And stuff like Electronic Money Institutes for at least some really basic banking. Fair warning though, some of these things look rather shady so use some common sense and be careful with your local legislation (See MrDisposables response) edit: To elaborate on t…

Sweet. I would recommend checking on stuff like “do I know how to grow and harvest potatoes” and “ensure I have firewood and a wood burning stove for heating”. These will be much more useful for survival than a virtual office space.

That's cool and all, but you need to have a house outside of the city for a lot of that as well.

Mind you, thanks to the rise of remote working - and virtual office spaces, I guess, begrudgingly, although I'm confident those are aimed at extroverts that need to see people and wave their arms and stuff - living in a city is no longer a requirement for working at companies you want to.

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Post by gdy »

diiiimaaaa wrote: post #165

I am in Ukraine right now. In a small village to the north of Kyiv. I am the author of PhotoSwipe ( https://github.com/dimsemenov/photoswipe ). Yesterday I was filling bags with sand to make a fortification for local defenders. I hear artillery as I am writing this. And by the way, you get used to it. In the last few days I received about 20 emails offering support, none of them were from russian devs. One asked a te…

Dmytro, I'm Russian living in Russia and I'm devastated and terrified by this war of aggression.

I have friends in Ukraine and I can hear siren wailing while talking with them via Skype.

There are already about 30 thousand members of Russian IT-industry who signed open letter against this war. Yesterday it was about 20 thousands.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rSmclqedrhTASIsyXLOz39pU...

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Post by cracrecry »

jd115 wrote: post #259

Here's my take on this, which you are not going to like one bit. It goes like this... The good people of Russia - and I'm not saying this with a tongue in cheek - the vast majority of the people of Russia truly are GOOD people, in the simplest, most sincere sense of the word... But they do need to go through some things. You just don't get to support a murderous communist regime for 100 years and then say "but we had…

You should learn History before you talk.

There was a civil war in Russia. The Bolshevism won being a minority because they got support from Germany Government in a critical weakness situation of World War.

I bet you can't even understand that from a privileged position on the West, fell fed and well rested.

I have been in Africa helping kids that eat once a day and they are so weak they can't think clearly for long. The same happened in Russia when people almost starved under the civil war and later with the disastrous Lenin politics. Only Lenin people had enough food, stolen from the people, most people were hungry.

Lenin killed 300.000 Russian peasants and 5 million people starved. Russian people were the main victims of communism. Even the navy revolted against Lenin and he was forced to do NEP. With Stalin it got worse.

And small owners of land, specially in Ukraine were exterminated. Anyone that was better at something(kulaks) was exterminated. Any social institution like Church was destroyed.

Given the right circumstances this could happen too in America.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by watwut »

kungito wrote: post #206
teekert wrote: post #180

This whole situation is so surreal and disappointing. I grew up on Star Trek and somehow I just though we had (almost) arrived in a post-war, federation-like world. We know things should be solved with words because otherwise there are only losers. It’s how we raise our kids. I just keep thinking about how Jean Luc is looking down on us from orbit, slowly shaking his head whispering “Savages.”

There have been multiple active wars in like 1/4 of the world the whole time since ww2 and all the time before that. The only thing different is that Ukraine is closer to EU than the rest of the countries.

The other different thing is that Russia is now perceived as potential threat to NATO members. As in, people wonder about where Russian aggression will continue after.
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