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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

drran wrote: post #394
5350-uiop-1130 wrote: post #368

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US has been blowing up afghan villagers (and kids/babies) for last 20 years. You only noticed this now?? Have you been living inside a watermelon.

Why US was in Afghanistan in the first place? Uh, they blow up American city...

Wasn't that a citizen of the US ally Saudi Arabia that "blew up American city"?

Why didn't you destroy Saudi Arabia instead? Because they pay their tribute in oil, and you had to destroy "someone", and Afghanistan was the first in the alphabetical list of countries that met the criteria for destruction?

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #275
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #257

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In the Star Trek canon, world-war III starts in 2026: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Star_Trek#21st_cen...

We're pretty much on track for that.

We've been on track for that since WW2; tensions for nuclear annihilation were higher throughout the Cold War.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 5ESS »

9214 wrote: post #411
blablablub wrote: post #269

What are the possibilities for an average russian citizen to leave russia and start over somewhere in the west? How about visas? Does anyone know?

In 2022: zero, unless you have relatives/friends from abroad who are willing to help. I'm mid-20s below-average Russian born and raised in a city with population of 19k (and declining), Ural region. Average salary here is around 200-300 USD, 400 if you are lucky. I emmigrated in 2019 to work with an international startup in Montenegro: and ended up being ostracized and harassed by my manager from another country (won…

You could always marry a foreign National to gain citizenship in that country. The going rate for a US sham marriage is about $60k.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by throwaway2037 »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

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You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

It pains me to admit that I agree with you. This is naturally "realpolitik", but makes many people uncomfortable.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by aa-jv »

nradov wrote: post #188
dotancohen wrote: post #149

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Thre is no systematic murder in Ukraine. But this is how the UN defines genocide: > a. Killing members of the group; > b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > c. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; > d. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; > e. Forcibly transferring childre…

Where are those credible reports?

Cutting off water supplies to entire human populations is a crime against humanity and genocide:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Crimean_Canal

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/world/europe/ukraine-russ...

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by intended »

ysamjo wrote: post #391
ihateolives wrote: post #294

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You do realize that only thing EU and US have done about Russia escalating situations all over the place (Crimea, North Caucasus, Georgia, South Ossetia, Chechnya, Dagestan etc) is talk, talk, talk. Has it helped? Nope. Russia seems to be immune to talking.

I would add that the unspecifity of the threat was what kept Putin going. Consider what would have happened if "The West" handed Putin a detailed list of the sanctions that are in effect now A WEEK AGO. Lower costs and lower risks. That's why far-sighted politics are so important.

Putin had already been setting up the Russian economy in a way so as to minimize the impact of sanctions.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by throwawayffffas »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #424
simonh wrote: post #366

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That's exactly the strategy we've been trying with both Russia and China for several decades now - playing soft and hoping they mellow with time. Obama tried a 'reset' of relations with Russia to improve relations in 2009, the result was the invasion of Crimea. Democratisation through osmosis has utterly failed. The result has been the subjugation of Hong Kong, genocide in Xinjiang and the invasion of Ukraine. Taiwan…

Ukraine is both bad and good lesson for Chinese: bad, because nobody intervenes with an army. Good, because it shows what the consequences for the economy of the invader are. And the West should buckle up and prepare for retaliation - this is especially important in essential areas such as drug production. If China attacks Taiwan, it will set the clock back two decades or more, for everybody.

Taiwan is not Ukraine. Biden has clearly stated that the US will go to war to defend Taiwan, while he had made it entirely clear that he will not go to war over Ukraine.

The fact that Taiwan has been a us ally for decades and the US has strongly implied in the past and now clearly stated that they will defend them matters. The US had never even implied they would defend Ukraine and had no treaty obligation to do so.

Also China is not Russia, while it's building a formidable navy, air-force and ground force and may be more capable than their Russian conventional counterparts, their nuclear deterrent may not be enough to deter an American intervention in Taiwan. Their nuclear force is small, and though rapidly growing, currently not enough to reliably threaten the US, the destruction is not so mutually assured in the China US equation.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by systemBuilder »

pydry wrote: post #282
ogogmad wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think that talking to Hitler is going to stop a war?

Saying "Ukraine will remain neutral and will not join NATO" would have stopped this war. It's an unpopular fact but it's still true.

If you think that promises never to join NATO would satisfy Putin, then you are brainwashed by Putin! Ukraine has already offered that peace offering of NATO neutrality. Putin has as also demanded that all Soviet / Warsaw pact countries become undefended so they will be naked tó Russian aggression!

Putin wants to expand his dominance in northern Asia. 140m citizens is not enough; he wants to add 45m Ukrainians to have 185m! He is a colonial dictator in his homeland and does as he pleases!

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

MrDisposable wrote: post #452
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #403

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Hope you and your loved ones stay safe, and that this russian epoch is a brief as possible.

Thank you. Given that from now on we are the most hated nation on the globe, this means a lot.

Actually I do think the majority of people understand that this is caused/lead mostly by Putin with the aid of handful of key russians. Most people in the world just want to get on with their lifes, keep their children safe and watch them grow.

I am not sure you are aware of this in Russian media, but most of the media shown in the west about Russian military, is of young conscripts who clear have no desire to be in the war, and claim they had no debriefing they would be deployed in Ukraine. The narrative (true or not) in western media is that Putin is using non-ethnic russians and young concripts as cannon fodder in the frontlines to wear off the ukrainian forces.

My point is that the general sentiment in the west is that the economic choke is necessary to avoid escalating NATO involvement (And nuclear threats). But in the west the sentiment is (for the majority) not antagonist to the Russian population itself .

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