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Fuck their employees - Seems a little aggressive doesn't it? I personally know employees at Patreon and kind of take offense to this.
>fuck their employees for not blocking offices and protesting this decision
I think the idea is that silence is tantamount to agreement.
Can someone with knowledge of these things clarify the ramifications for their business if they were to allow something like this on their platform? I'd imagine it would have significant regulatory and legal implications. Which of course sounds mild compared to the ramifications to the lives of those affected, but I'm wondering if it would be a business-killing move for some legal reason. To me, the wildest thing her…
Worst case (ignoring the legal side of things) their payment processors stop working with them and Patreon needs to find new payment processors that allow for more high risk transactions. To avoid paying the higher processing fees Patreon would want to find a way to use payment processors who are okay with these higher risk transacions to only be used on these higher risk patreons.
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"Bitcoin is about freedom", you say as a response to Bitcoin being used to fund an invasion? How do you not see the absurdity of this claim?
You seem confused about freedom, and seem to think it means freedom to only do the things you want done. Freedom does not mean people, or countries, must do what one deems right or wrong. That is the reality of no restrictions on a thing. As an aside, maybe, fighting a physical invasion with harsh words, wagging fingers, and paper thin "we won't talk to you any more" restrictions isn't the answer? It's never worked b…
First, Ukraine is fighting a physical invasion into their territory with their army. The rest of NATO or Europe is not under attack and not at war with Russia. That isn't harsh words.
Second, this is an oversimplification to the point of ignorance. How long would you last if access to a bank was denied? How long do you think wherever you live would be okay?
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> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities and platforms that would benefit from donations, such as the Ukrainian Red Cross Society, Voices of Children, and Revived Soldiers Ukraine. There are also 3,000+ Ukrainian creators on Patreon – and thousands more using other platforms – who would benefit from our support. Patreon seems to realize that donations are needed and…
totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble. Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing
For one, credit card companies would no longer deal with Patreon if they find out they were passing money to fund a military.
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> I've seen first hand what life under Russia looks like, there is no way this is going to be whitewashed. I'm really not trying to whitewash anything. I have friends in the Ukraine and I'm fearing for their live right now - and, to be honest, a bit for mine, since this conflict is really close to escalating near my actual home. The last thing I want to do is to condone Russian aggression. My point is that it's reall…
> My point is that it's really easy to get lost once you accept violence as good. I don't think any normal person believes that violence is good. It's the last option on the table. But it is an option. > and, to be honest, a bit for mine, since this conflict is really close to escalating near my actual home. The last thing I want to do is to condone Russian aggression. Excellent. And if and when it does happen, then…
It obviously affects the conflict; there's really no option not to play for them. I just honestly think that "it's for the right side" is a really bad justification to directly fund weapons. There are better ones in this case, no doubt, but the one the initial comment I replied to made wasn't one.
And I can also see why they don't want to start doing so; once they do, they are either in a position to fund less clear-cut wars or to decide which side in a war is right and both are positions they really don't want to be in. So it's not quite true that it costs them nothing to support the Ukraine (even though, just to be clear, we're in agreement that it would have been the right thing).
> they just made it to my shitlist, not a cent through their company, ever.
Well, they're on mine, too, so no argument here.
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> when in this specific situation violence is maybe not bad. I'm pretty sure Russia would say the same thing if you ask them about their situation. That's the problem once you bring in subjectivity. That being said, tolerating the account for a few more days would've probably been a better play. EDIT: Just to be very clear, I'm not condoning Russian aggression in any way. My point is that not funding a war is an acce…
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Nothing is as black and white as some want it to be.
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Wait, the Russians are Fascist now? When did that happen?
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> For those still looking to help, Ukrainian journalists have recommended several charities and platforms that would benefit from donations, such as the Ukrainian Red Cross Society, Voices of Children, and Revived Soldiers Ukraine. There are also 3,000+ Ukrainian creators on Patreon – and thousands more using other platforms – who would benefit from our support. Patreon seems to realize that donations are needed and…
totally reasonable course of action given their existing terms of service Oh, well, if it's a violation of their Terms of Service, then everything is perfectly OK. /s Notions like this are what makes it so easy for the real world to hate people in the tech bubble. Protip: Terms of Service !>= Doing the right thing
I know emotions are running high in this thread but asking to educate myself. Ukraine is not a tiny nation, and Russia is huge. In that scenario how will a small assortment of weapons and software even help them? Do they even need weapons help? Also how can a charity buy that list and supply? Can an organization buy them, feels like that kind of a purchase should be restricted to countries only.