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One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by Spellman »

dv_dt wrote: post #80
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source regarding the suicide rate you can share? Everything I'm finding suggests they went up (the CDC "morbidity and mortality weekly report" indicated a 22% spike in 2020 relative to 2019).

I would follow Dr Tyler Black, https://twitter.com/tylerblack32 for data on that. He reviews data (with source links) from multiple sources and provides interpretations, and imho a pretty good job of breaking down nuances in the data, how it is grouped and summarized vs the ground conditions. The CDC data was reviewed by him on this thread. This is perhaps the simplest summary: https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status…

Notably from the graphic, not having school early in lockdown was great! Lower suicides.

Once Hybrid/Remote started, suicides worse, implying worse than baseline. But slightly within error bars for most.

So order of good > bad: No School > In-Person school > Hybrid

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by dv_dt »

Spellman wrote: post #81
dv_dt wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would follow Dr Tyler Black, https://twitter.com/tylerblack32 for data on that. He reviews data (with source links) from multiple sources and provides interpretations, and imho a pretty good job of breaking down nuances in the data, how it is grouped and summarized vs the ground conditions. The CDC data was reviewed by him on this thread. This is perhaps the simplest summary: https://twitter.com/tylerblack32/status…

Notably from the graphic, not having school early in lockdown was great! Lower suicides. Once Hybrid/Remote started, suicides worse, implying worse than baseline. But slightly within error bars for most. So order of good > bad: No School > In-Person school > Hybrid

And even outside of the specific school scheme, looking at overall rates of child suicide in the US and Canada, the rates aren't out of variance from historical trends vs during covid years.

(see pg 25 for the graphs on the Urgency of Equity packet).

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by causi »

pembrook wrote: post #19

So 1 in 3 felt happier, 1 in 3 felt more depressed, and the remaining 1 in 3 felt no major change. Sounds pretty much like a normal (gaussian) distribution, or basically a non-story. Guessing if they measured satisfaction on a scale, the majority were clustered near the "no major change" camp, as with any gaussian curve. As we already know, it turns out humans can adapt to things. By phrasing the headline result as "…

A negative event doesn't cause a normal distribution like that. When a hurricane floods a city a third of the citizens don't feel happy about it. The story is the fact there is a normal distribution, thus prompting an examination of why a massive restriction of movement wasn't a purely negative event.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by bakuninsbart »

As a personal anecdote, I suffered in lots of ways during lockdown, but have never had such successful university semesters before. I'm suffering from (social) anxiety, so going to classes every morning was harder than some of the actual curriculums. But there were very few ways of passing while missing attendance. Often times, I'd go strong until about the last third of the semester and then just fail multiple courses. If not for Germany having free uni, I'd have had to give up on my degree for quite a while.

Covid was definetely not good for my anxiety overall, and being socially isolated hurt a lot too. I couldn't see my girlfriend for months at a time, because we live in different countries in the EU. But for my studies, it did wonders. Lectures being recorded enabled me to watch them on demand and in different speeds. Online tutorials/seminars had far less of a hurdle to participate in. There was suddenly a record of most interactions over the course of a semester, making it far easier to prepare for exams. My job also moved online, so I saved a total average commute of 2 hours a day, which I was able to also invest in studying.

Now I'm very close to finishing, but next semester will be back in person, and while I'm a bit nervous about it, the last 2 years of actually reaching some form of success paved the way to control my anxiety enough to finish I think.

While I am very happy that things are opening up again, and some normalcy is restored, I really hope that we don't just go back to the old, because there were a number of things wrong, and I think a lot of it could be rectified quite easily.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by tehjoker »

DocTomoe wrote: post #62
geoduck14 wrote: post #58

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>Political leaders wanted I feel the need to intervene here. The only thing political leaders want... is to get reelected. That is there job. To get reelected. Sure, in certain cases, a politician has kids and wants their kids back in school. But in this example the line should go: Political leaders had constituents that wanted kids back in school, so the leaders worked to make that happen.

I used to believe the same things, that politicians followed the general will of their potential voters. I don't anymore, and reading some Chomsky made me understand how the system works. "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" is suggested reading, with the caveat that it opens the readers eyes to a harrowing reality and that what has been seen cannot be unseen.

Agreed, once you read that book (or watch the documentary [0]) it sets you down a new path of understanding. However, you will feel alternatively annoyed or horrified every day of the rest of your life.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuwmWnphqII

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by Thlom »

DocTomoe wrote: post #56
dv_dt wrote: post #53

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When data was reviewed, the effect in suicides among school age children was that it was significantly lower despite anti-lockdown spokespeople claiming it was higher. The shocking thing was that thisj was not even close in the data.

Political leaders wanted kids back in school so parents would be able to go back to work. At the same time, the media starts talking about how bad homeschooling and lockdowns are for kids mental health and suicide rates. Consent is always manufactured.

When kids can’t socialize normally with their peers that is negative for them, even if kids themselves might be happy with “homeschooling” and socializing with their friends in Minecraft.

We have been spared most lockdown measures, but had a couple of weeks with closed schools and day care. It was fine, but my kids were absolutely better of once schools and day care opened again.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by croes »

geoduck14 wrote: post #58
DocTomoe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political leaders wanted kids back in school so parents would be able to go back to work. At the same time, the media starts talking about how bad homeschooling and lockdowns are for kids mental health and suicide rates. Consent is always manufactured.

>Political leaders wanted I feel the need to intervene here. The only thing political leaders want... is to get reelected. That is there job. To get reelected. Sure, in certain cases, a politician has kids and wants their kids back in school. But in this example the line should go: Political leaders had constituents that wanted kids back in school, so the leaders worked to make that happen.

Political leaders want money and power that's why they want to be reelected.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by LoveMortuus »

I think people forget that the hyper-connectivity that we have today with the coming of internet is an incredibly new thing.

I'd wager that even during the lockdown people interacted with more people then people in history interacted without a lockdown.

In consideration is not only internet but also cars and other forms of fast travel.

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