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One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by amznbyebyebye »

mysore wrote: post #28

lockdown made me more depressed than ever. I had a breakup right before the lockdown and ended up overdosing on MDMA right at the start of it in april 2020. Overall haven't been able to recover emotionally or physically but I did get a better job that pays better than any job i've ever had. Eventually moved back in with my parents because it seemed pointless to live in a tiny new york appartment all alone and pay hig…

Sorry to hear that man. It sounds like you’re young-ish. Time heals, even though it sucks right now, and life has a way of sending someone else down your way and you can make each other happy.. Best of luck friend

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by DocTomoe »

geoduck14 wrote: post #58
DocTomoe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political leaders wanted kids back in school so parents would be able to go back to work. At the same time, the media starts talking about how bad homeschooling and lockdowns are for kids mental health and suicide rates. Consent is always manufactured.

>Political leaders wanted I feel the need to intervene here. The only thing political leaders want... is to get reelected. That is there job. To get reelected. Sure, in certain cases, a politician has kids and wants their kids back in school. But in this example the line should go: Political leaders had constituents that wanted kids back in school, so the leaders worked to make that happen.

I used to believe the same things, that politicians followed the general will of their potential voters. I don't anymore, and reading some Chomsky made me understand how the system works. "Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media" is suggested reading, with the caveat that it opens the readers eyes to a harrowing reality and that what has been seen cannot be unseen.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by throwawayboise »

gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #5

The pandemic started towards the end of my masters and beyond the initial “oh shit” moment, I actually found it way better than I expected because for the first time in my life it was not weird for me to just stay at home, enjoy my own company and reduce socializing by a factor of 5 or more. Now when I actually have to interact with people it’s in a low enough volume that it’s enjoyable and not the crapshoot it used…

Yeah I think for some people, the lockdowns really opened their eyes that a simple life spent mostly at home can be enjoyable, and something they want to continue. Of course for some others, who thrive on activity and a lot of social interaction, the lockdowns were miserable.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by throwawayboise »

mysore wrote: post #28

lockdown made me more depressed than ever. I had a breakup right before the lockdown and ended up overdosing on MDMA right at the start of it in april 2020. Overall haven't been able to recover emotionally or physically but I did get a better job that pays better than any job i've ever had. Eventually moved back in with my parents because it seemed pointless to live in a tiny new york appartment all alone and pay hig…

Get out of your parent's house. It is a daily reminder that you're not facing life as an adult.

You don't have to go to an expensive city. If you are working remotely you can live anywhere and there are plenty of nice towns where housing is not insanely expensive.

Join a gym or a hiking club or something to get some physical activity and maybe meet some new friends.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by tedivm »

geoduck14 wrote: post #58
DocTomoe wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political leaders wanted kids back in school so parents would be able to go back to work. At the same time, the media starts talking about how bad homeschooling and lockdowns are for kids mental health and suicide rates. Consent is always manufactured.

>Political leaders wanted I feel the need to intervene here. The only thing political leaders want... is to get reelected. That is there job. To get reelected. Sure, in certain cases, a politician has kids and wants their kids back in school. But in this example the line should go: Political leaders had constituents that wanted kids back in school, so the leaders worked to make that happen.

That's an ideal world, but we don't live in an ideal world. Politicians do things not just to get reelected, but also to build their own wealth and power. To say that they only care about being reelected is a gross and inaccurate simplification.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by pawelmurias »

pembrook wrote: post #44
civilized wrote: post #34

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Come on. Would you really have predicted, before a massive two-year pandemic, that it would have a mean-zero random impact on people's well-being? Let's keep ourselves honest here.

I thought it was a well recognized fact that humans adapt--I remember this even from my old high school psych class. There's been a thousand studies about this (becoming a refugee, poverty vs. being rich, etc etc). For most people, the only thing that has the power to permanently change your mental state is the death of someone very close to you (a spouse, child, etc) or forced exile from an identity forming social t…

It's not a commonly held belief. Why would anyone want to be rich or afraid of being poor of a refuge if you could adapt to anything?

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by rootusrootus »

zaroth wrote: post #22
andjd wrote: post #11

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My take is that this is a counterpoint to the dominant media narrative that covid and lockdowns have been detrimental to the mental heath of nearly every child, usually based on anecdata. So even if these results _aren't_ different from a normal year, that's still meaningful. I think this is the crux of their conclusions too: > While the pandemic has undoubtedly had negative consequences for many, it is important to…

It's not all "anecdata"... > In May 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, ED visits for suspected suicide attempts began to increase among adolescents aged 12–17 years, especially girls. During February 21–March 20, 2021, suspected suicide attempt ED visits were 50.6% higher among girls aged 12–17 years than during the same period in 2019 . [1] - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7024e1.htm

How did that play out over the rest of the pandemic, though? May 2020 was early in the pandemic, and there was a lot of turmoil. But things did settle down pretty quickly into a new normal for a lot of us.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by jdlyga »

During lockdown, my wife and I left Manhattan to stay with my parents in the suburbs temporarily, and so did my sister. We thought it was going to be a couple weeks, and it turned into 3 months. I really enjoyed having the whole family together. We ate dinner together every night, cooked for each other, went on walks. Of course we got in each others way sometimes. But overall I do miss that time, and wish it was possible for our family to live like that.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by bjornsing »

pembrook wrote: post #19

So 1 in 3 felt happier, 1 in 3 felt more depressed, and the remaining 1 in 3 felt no major change. Sounds pretty much like a normal (gaussian) distribution, or basically a non-story. Guessing if they measured satisfaction on a scale, the majority were clustered near the "no major change" camp, as with any gaussian curve. As we already know, it turns out humans can adapt to things. By phrasing the headline result as "…

> Sounds pretty much like a normal (gaussian) distribution, or basically a non-story.

Depends on your perspective I think. Where I live (Sweden) the general sentiment was that young people would kill themselves in droves if there was a lockdown. So here this should be news, I’d say.

Re: One in three young people say they felt happier during lockdown

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Post by manigandham »

dv_dt wrote: post #53
lemmsjid wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article contextualizes itself at the beginning. A large number of people believe the effect of the lockdowns on children was not a normal distribution but was skewed negative. So a normal distribution is news. This does not discount your argument that emphasizing the positive side of the distribution is clickbait, but if it is positioning itself as emphasizing that positive side to a population who thinks it is a…

When data was reviewed, the effect in suicides among school age children was that it was significantly lower despite anti-lockdown spokespeople claiming it was higher. The shocking thing was that thisj was not even close in the data.

What data and what review?
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