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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by bagels »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #43
thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

FSD will never work for ordinary cars in cities. But it may be good enough for self driving tanks fighting in WW4 - AD2050 That is really the only scenario where the high collateral damage won't matter. "We didn't know we where training kill-bots"

The cruise control does not even work in these cars.

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Post by johnsimer »

dylan604 wrote: post #133
throwaway2016a wrote: post #39

The driver probably has it in "assertive" mode. Outside of assertive mode it is actually annoyingly conservative. So much so that I often take manual control at turns to avoid impatient drivers honking at me as it inches through the intersection. With that said, I hate driving in Boston, so much so whenever I go there I park outside the city and take the T (subway) the rest of the way. I would not turn on FSD in Bost…

As someone that used to live 45 minutes outside of town, I'd kind of be okay with allowing the car to drive the monotonous highway bits and then taking over manual control for the city bits of driving.

Autopilot already does that very well and has for a few years and comes for free with each Tesla. you don’t need to pay the $12k FSD package for that

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Post by JaimeThompson »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #123
simion314 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Oh no, the children! 2025: Elon announces BabyX, in vitro baby factory, claims he's cloning any baby killed by a Tesla vehicle, for free.

If you remove the last two words it reads much more like an elon tweet.

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Post by johnsimer »

garbageT wrote: post #73

Disclaimer about this guy Ogan, if you track his online accounts it’s very anti-Tesla auto-pilot/self-driving. Rightfully so in some situations. Also he is a investor in a Chinese competitor to Tesla (EV and self-driving abilities). Take his words with a grain of salt.

He claimed on Twitter spaces a couple weeks ago that he has a large investment in Tesla as well - based on their gross margins and growth, not based on FSD

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Post by JaimeThompson »

avs733 wrote: post #147
irthomasthomas wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FSD will never work for ordinary cars in cities. But it may be good enough for self driving tanks fighting in WW4 - AD2050 That is really the only scenario where the high collateral damage won't matter. "We didn't know we where training kill-bots"

Personal opinion...FSD won't work within the existing paradigm largely because driving is a social experience not purely a technical one. It could, and should, be made to work in CONCERT with infrastructure changes to enable and support it. All new roads should be built with systems in place to help FSD cars succeed. Infrastructure spending should be used to help fix and redesign and systematize areas where FSD cars…

I think musk would fight that as he, as of late, seems to be against such subsidies and assistance that would help firms not Tesla.

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Post by CultMember009 »

jondwillis wrote: post #66
simion314 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

As one of the “rich Tesla fanboys” you describe, no, probably it should not be legal. That being said, it has made me re-realize that humans are really terrible drivers as well, myself included, just less terrible on average, currently.

I respect your honesty and encourage you to try some remedial driving lessons to avoid being a “really terrible driver.” It can save your life and others also.

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

bo1024 wrote: post #53
antattack wrote: post #35

Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again. Obviously the system is not ready for such narrow streets with no line markings and bad visibility. Just don't engage it in such situations. I sure hope that the future iterations of FSD beta will assess the environment and ask the driver to take over sooner.

I look forward to the new name for the system. 'Totally Self Driving now can drive over 14% of the time, a 4% improvement from Full Self Driving. Look out soon for the next release, Completely Self Driving.'

The USB-IF normalized that sort of naming sillyness, I fully expect it to spread.

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Post by windowshopping »

thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

I was kind of sad for me, to be honest.

Between the ages of 18-26 or so I was a really big Elon Musk fan. It's hard to deny the exciting technological progress made by Tesla and SpaceX on many fronts and I hugely bought into the idea that this stemmed from him. On some level I still believe it does - he's been running both successfully for a long time so he clearly isn't utterly full of shit.

But watching the autopilot predictions become progressively sillier, over and over - watching the Thai cave diving debacle - watching his pathetic Twitter exchanges where he needlessly belittles people in childish ways when he could have just maintained his silence and ignored them - his idiotic pronouncements on the pandemic - I found along the way I lost nearly all of my respect for him. I stopped taking him seriously and came to believe most of the things he says publicly aren't worth hearing or reading about.

I still view him as a brilliant business leader, but....interestingly, he seems to also be an imbecile. And I guess that isn't really surprising, because people are rarely reducible to one thing, but it wasn't until I reached my late 20s that I started to see it more clearly.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

windowshopping wrote: post #168
thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

I was kind of sad for me, to be honest. Between the ages of 18-26 or so I was a really big Elon Musk fan. It's hard to deny the exciting technological progress made by Tesla and SpaceX on many fronts and I hugely bought into the idea that this stemmed from him. On some level I still believe it does - he's been running both successfully for a long time so he clearly isn't utterly full of shit. But watching the autopil…

Yeah, Musk is a giant jackass, but unlike most other jackasses he has big dreams and a proven ability to consistently advance towards them. I can respect that about him, if nothing else.

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Post by spicybright »

yakz wrote: post #82
simion314 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Why shouldn't it? Anyone can buy 500, 700, 1100hp, etc. RWD production cars and YouTube is covered in videos of people using them to cause destruction of property and injuries because they don't know what the car is going to do. These muscle cars, supercars, and hypercars require control inputs that are not necessarily intuitive and could be very surprising. At least Tesla is forcing people to go through a safety tes…

> If and when there is sufficient evidence that they can't, I expect things to change.

Why should I let Tesla put my life at risk if they're not sure it can be operated safely?

The burden of proof should be collecting evidence that they are safe, not waiting for data soaked in blood before pulling back.

Any other company wouldn't be able to pull off this kind of scam like Tesla is doing.

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