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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by pessimizer »

hughrr wrote: post #25
thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

Got to give the guy his due though: the average capitalist bastard couldn’t literally sell a promise like that and hold it off for half a decade yet still maintain a rabid fanbase stating it’ll be any minute now and shooting down any dissident opinion. /s for the sake of the challenged. I figured most of the cars that had FSD paid for will be scrap before it happens.

I disagree. This stuff can go on indefinitely until the big money pulls out, and the big money doesn't pull out until something happens to make the investment embarrassing to mention to your peers. It took an expose from the WSJ (which probably wouldn't have worked from any other paper) to do it for Theranos, it simply took a memorable, repeatable joke to do the same type of thing for Bill Cosby.

I honestly don't think that Tesla is hiding fraud at that level. If anything is going to kill Tesla, it'll be cheaper, higher-quality competition, probably followed with lies about sales figures. Things that are years off (as far as I know.) Lies about what your technology is on the verge of doing are standard for the tech industry.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by yakz »

simion314 wrote: post #59
npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Why shouldn't it? Anyone can buy 500, 700, 1100hp, etc. RWD production cars and YouTube is covered in videos of people using them to cause destruction of property and injuries because they don't know what the car is going to do. These muscle cars, supercars, and hypercars require control inputs that are not necessarily intuitive and could be very surprising. At least Tesla is forcing people to go through a safety test first. These cars can be operated safely. If and when there is sufficient evidence that they can't, I expect things to change.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by sidibe »

ra7 wrote: post #71
mountainriver wrote: post #58

Everyone wants to hate on Elon but he’s making incredible progress in machine learning. Tesla and OpenAI have done more for the field than almost anyone in the last decade, except maybe Google.

How are you claiming this? There are tons of research publications from the likes of Google, Facebook etc. Does Tesla ever publish AI/ML research?

No instead they have AI days where they get up on stage and stupify and thrill investors with their technicality and claims everything is almost ready. Last year they made it sound like Dojo was a done deal, last week in earnings call they made it sound not ready, but also not necessarily useful

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by rmbyrro »

simion314 wrote: post #59
npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Or selected paidboys

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by tsunamifury »

aoeusnth1 wrote: post #60
tsunamifury wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure there are bad drivers but in SF bad cyclists are a matter of routine. Blowing stop signs, red lights at full speed, weaving through cross traffic and riding on pedestrian sidewalks at speed are not regular occurrences for car drivers. Sure I want a full biking city and what not but the cyclists here are such a bad testimony to everyone else that it starts this strong negativity. Being jerks to the pedestrians an…

And how many people did they kill per mile? Cars get an absolute free pass for all the carnage they cause.

Bikes have killed less of course, but actually not 0.

I'm not saying a free pass, I'm saying they act outside the flow of traffic so strongly and regularly compared to cars that people get angry with them.

I don't know why bikers are so un-self-aware that they blow red lights and stop signs as a matter of principle, bully pedestrians in my experience far more than cars, then act like the victim

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by donatj »

MisterTea wrote: post #20

What surprises me is the simple fact that these self "driving" cars are allowed on the road without any federal oversight at all. Meanwhile you could not legally register a Mercedes Benz car that only has ONE wiper blade because it did not meet federal safety requirements. Yet somehow replacing the human in the drivers seat, the most safety critical part of the whole damn car, with a gpu, camera, and junk code is no…

> Even after multiple stories of accidents and deaths caused by them.

How many accidents and deaths are caused by human drivers? I haven't checked the stats but it has to be non-zero.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by hughrr »

pessimizer wrote: post #81
hughrr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got to give the guy his due though: the average capitalist bastard couldn’t literally sell a promise like that and hold it off for half a decade yet still maintain a rabid fanbase stating it’ll be any minute now and shooting down any dissident opinion. /s for the sake of the challenged. I figured most of the cars that had FSD paid for will be scrap before it happens.

I disagree. This stuff can go on indefinitely until the big money pulls out, and the big money doesn't pull out until something happens to make the investment embarrassing to mention to your peers. It took an expose from the WSJ (which probably wouldn't have worked from any other paper) to do it for Theranos, it simply took a memorable, repeatable joke to do the same type of thing for Bill Cosby. I honestly don't thi…

I think it is 100% fraudulent to charge for the FSD option that isn’t enabled at delivery of the vehicle.

Edit: to qualify this my father paid over £5000 for it three years ago.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by pessimizer »

npace12 wrote: post #74
simion314 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

I drive a tesla with FSD in an urban area and based on what I've seen it do, I am 1000x more scared of some rich boy driving his new lambo around hitting a pedestrian than my Tesla while on FSD even with noone in it (if that were possible)

You're right, we probably shouldn't make reckless driving legal either.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by mikestew »

jillesvangurp wrote: post #38
mikestew wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TFA makes no mention of anyone being short TSLA. Beside, the person quoted isn’t too short Tesla, since they paid for the vehicle. But, okay, let’s roll with that: after that video, you expect “the guy” to be long Tesla? There’s the avoidance of “conflict of interest”, and then there’s “I should not be left alone with large sums of money”.

The comment section below the article does mention this though ... The guy's twitter feed is basically one huge rant against Tesla and Elon Musk. He seems to have no other topic than that. Makes you wonder why he bought one anyway.

Thanks for the necessary context that was inexplicably left out.
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