It is well past time for government to step in and get these dangerous cars off the road.
Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'
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#32I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.
Both have been just around the corner since the 1970's. But just because they are obvious technologies it doesn't make them more feasible.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a bicyclist does something wrong, all cyclists are bad. If a driver does something stupid, that driver is stupid. People complain daily about the bad drivers they face during their commute. But that's quickly forgotten. That one time a cyclist did something wrong, however, is etched into memory. Drivers (not cars) kill an incredible amount of people every year, while cyclists virtually none. Cars pollute, make noi…
> Weird how that works. Because it doesn't. None of that is true, except in maybe some isolated incidences. Those incidences just happen to be etched in your memory, because you took them personally. It's not enough of a norm for your sweeping generalization to hold water.
Pft, go into any discussion on twitter/reddit/fb/newssite about some traffic incident. In all cases where a car is involved, it's likely "that driver is stupid" (or even excuses made for the driver, since most commenters see themselves in their shoes), but if a cyclist is involved the comments are full of vitriol against all cyclists.
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#34Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…
The only metric that matters in the self driving race is the number of markets where regulators have granted approval for full autonomy. Supporting metrics would be markets where there’s a pilot program and the number of fully autonomous miles driven.
Tesla is losing and using misdirection to convince the public they aren’t.
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#35Stupidity is doing the same thing over and over again. Obviously the system is not ready for such narrow streets with no line markings and bad visibility. Just don't engage it in such situations.
I sure hope that the future iterations of FSD beta will assess the environment and ask the driver to take over sooner.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a bicyclist does something wrong, all cyclists are bad. If a driver does something stupid, that driver is stupid. People complain daily about the bad drivers they face during their commute. But that's quickly forgotten. That one time a cyclist did something wrong, however, is etched into memory. Drivers (not cars) kill an incredible amount of people every year, while cyclists virtually none. Cars pollute, make noi…
Sure there are bad drivers but in SF bad cyclists are a matter of routine. Blowing stop signs, red lights at full speed, weaving through cross traffic and riding on pedestrian sidewalks at speed are not regular occurrences for car drivers. Sure I want a full biking city and what not but the cyclists here are such a bad testimony to everyone else that it starts this strong negativity. Being jerks to the pedestrians an…
You're kinda proving my point, though, by your sweeping generalizations...
Why do the cars get a pass for all bad stuff they cause?
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a bicyclist does something wrong, all cyclists are bad. If a driver does something stupid, that driver is stupid. People complain daily about the bad drivers they face during their commute. But that's quickly forgotten. That one time a cyclist did something wrong, however, is etched into memory. Drivers (not cars) kill an incredible amount of people every year, while cyclists virtually none. Cars pollute, make noi…
> Weird how that works. Because it doesn't. None of that is true, except in maybe some isolated incidences. Those incidences just happen to be etched in your memory, because you took them personally. It's not enough of a norm for your sweeping generalization to hold water.
In-group/out-group bias is a well attested thing. I saw similar opinions from car drivers in Cambridge (UK) when I lived there, even though actual traffic cameras showed that local car drivers were exactly as bad as local cyclists.
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#38Says a guy who is short on Tesla, but despite that conflict of interest, the video looks real. I mean if he had managed to modify his car firmware to make it less safe just to fake that video, that would also be a huge Tesla safety issue.
TFA makes no mention of anyone being short TSLA. Beside, the person quoted isn’t too short Tesla, since they paid for the vehicle. But, okay, let’s roll with that: after that video, you expect “the guy” to be long Tesla? There’s the avoidance of “conflict of interest”, and then there’s “I should not be left alone with large sums of money”.
The comment section below the article does mention this though ...
The guy's twitter feed is basically one huge rant against Tesla and Elon Musk. He seems to have no other topic than that. Makes you wonder why he bought one anyway.
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#39The driver probably has it in "assertive" mode. Outside of assertive mode it is actually annoyingly conservative. So much so that I often take manual control at turns to avoid impatient drivers honking at me as it inches through the intersection.
With that said, I hate driving in Boston, so much so whenever I go there I park outside the city and take the T (subway) the rest of the way. I would not turn on FSD in Boston in a million years.
I live in a mid-sized city much smaller than Boston and it does "ok" but even there I take manual control when downtown.
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#40Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver:
1. pay $12k or $200/mo
2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months)
3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it
4. Keep hands on wheel while it's going on and prepare to take over (it beeps and deactivates if you don't)
5. Be continuously recorded by a camera while FSD is on