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Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by TulliusCicero »

cblconfederate wrote: post #303
dont__panic wrote: post #201

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Urban bicyclist here. I don't life in SF, but I'm really curious how current autonomous vehicles behave around cars. If you're biking down a one-way street with little room, do most autonomous vehicles just wait behind you? Do they try to pass? What kind of follow distance would they give a bicyclist who "dominates" the lane because it's too narrow to let a car pass safely?

are there narrow streets in america?

Occasionally, yes.

Though it probably depends on your definition of 'narrow'. I'm guessing a lot of Americans think the average SF street is narrow, and it would be a medium or even wide street in some other countries.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by TulliusCicero »

amacneil wrote: post #285
sam1234apter wrote: post #218

Why is this considered a big stride when Waymo is doing it for 6 months already? https://blog.waymo.com/2021/08/welcoming-our-first-riders-in...

From your Waymo link: > All rides in the program will have an autonomous specialist on board for now Cruise is the first to do driverless (zero humans in the front seat) testing in SF. Waymo have been doing this for a couple years in Phoenix, but have not yet tested driverless in SF as far as I'm aware.

Yes, though there's the big caveat of only doing it at night (10pm - 6am). Oh and also limited to 25 mph.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by TulliusCicero »

dontreact wrote: post #341
wubbert wrote: post #288

I notice that they are refereed to as "driverless" rather than "self-driving". Are these actually self-driving or are they remote controlled by a person?

I saw a presentation at a conference that pretty strongly suggested they will have a remote driver take over at certain points (the car will assess it can’t continue and remote driver takes over)

A remote driver, or remote navigator/coach?

The former is incredibly dangerous, the latter is what Waymo is doing.

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comex wrote: post #60
gitfan86 wrote: post #32

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What is success? Does 50 miles of geofenced and daily mapped streets mean Cruise won self driving? What if Waymo gets to 20k miles of geofenced roads and monthly mapped? What if Tesla gets to the point of one intervention/crash every 100k miles? 10M Miles?

The human accident rate is about one per 500K miles, so if they were able to get in that range, then yes, they would have succeeded; drivers would be able to stop paying attention to the road without putting themselves and others in danger. But the current FSD beta's intervention rate is more like one per 10 miles, judging from some quick googling. I see no particular reason to assume that incremental improvement can…

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Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by callalex »

kvogt wrote: post #93
walrus01 wrote: post #8

Based on this image: https://images.ctfassets.net/95kuvdv8zn1v/6h1C7lPC79OLOlddEE... They and their VC backers are clearly betting on the concept that radars + lidar + imaging will be the ultimate successful solution in full self driving cars, as a completely opposite design and engineering philosophy from Tesla attempting to do "full self driving" with camera sensors and categorical rejection of lidar. It is interes…

Cruise CEO here. Our strategy has been to solve the challenges needed to operate driverless robotaxis on a well-equipped vehicle, then aggressively drive the cost down. Many OEMs are doing this in reverse order. They're trying to squeeze orders of magnitude of performance gains out of really low-cost hardware. Today it's unclear what strategy will win. In a few years our next generation of low-cost compute and sensin…

What does the word “aggressively” accomplish here? You’re talking about a future hypothetical, so why bother?

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Post by lisper »

ladon86 wrote: post #394
walrus01 wrote: post #391

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to be fair, this is because Elizabeth Holmes is probably a sociopath, so you'd expect to hear something overly confident like that from such. Not that we knew it at the time.

Yes, but all of those quotes are by Elon Musk…

Elon is probably a sociopath too. Not all sociopaths are as dysfunctional as Elizabeth.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by kgin »

kvogt wrote: post #93
walrus01 wrote: post #8

Based on this image: https://images.ctfassets.net/95kuvdv8zn1v/6h1C7lPC79OLOlddEE... They and their VC backers are clearly betting on the concept that radars + lidar + imaging will be the ultimate successful solution in full self driving cars, as a completely opposite design and engineering philosophy from Tesla attempting to do "full self driving" with camera sensors and categorical rejection of lidar. It is interes…

Cruise CEO here. Our strategy has been to solve the challenges needed to operate driverless robotaxis on a well-equipped vehicle, then aggressively drive the cost down. Many OEMs are doing this in reverse order. They're trying to squeeze orders of magnitude of performance gains out of really low-cost hardware. Today it's unclear what strategy will win. In a few years our next generation of low-cost compute and sensin…

Been so impressed with the Cruise approach. No hype, no promises, just keeping quiet, working hard on a very hard problem until it’s ready to launch. Congrats to everybody who’s been a part of this.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Post by ma2rten »

waffle_maniac wrote: post #107
enjoylife wrote: post #54

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They are betting that hardware combination is the fastest to market, given the constraints of today software. When the ml stack is capable of leveraging purely camera sensors, Cruise and others like them, own the fleet and can swap out the hardware. Tesla does not "own" the fleet per se. So perhaps its different bets on which cars will still be on the road when the ML threshold is crossed.

Tesla has really fallen behind. I think Karpathy will be fired this year if his team can't achieve at least L4.

Tesla has not fallen behind, it's rapidly catching up. It's just not that easy to catch up if you are 10 years behind the competition and handicap yourself with inferior hardware. Maybe you are right and Karpathy will get fired, but at that point it's time to sell your tesla stock.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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ironrabbit wrote: post #275
silverlake wrote: post #260

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Tesla limited themselves to cameras because Musk said “humans can do it with two eyes”. He also didn’t like the look of LiDAR on cars. Such an idiotic decision. Good to see Cruise is not lead by a mega-maniacal CEO.

As of a few years ago, lidar added at least $7500 to the cost of a car. That's a huge price difference for a consumer.

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