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Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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The reason camera only won’t happen is because it won’t work. Elon has been fighting reality for years.

How does a human identify obstacles, VRUs [0], and other cars? 0: vulnerable road users, eg pedestrians and bicyclists

Humans would drive better if they could shoot fricken laser beams out of their eyes.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Why is this considered a big stride when Waymo is doing it for 6 months already? https://blog.waymo.com/2021/08/welcoming-our-first-riders-in...

Because #2 is still close to #1? I personally am glad to read about this stuff and not just the next "point version of {$SOFTWARE_STACK} released today". I mean that's why we get to choose which article to click on. amiright?

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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What’s your view on whether self-driving cars should automatically be 100% liable for any accidents? I ask this in the context of machines being governed by classical deterministic physics, so there is an argument that there is no such thing as an accident involving a self-driving car: only a design flaw. This is a genuine question, as I can see that companies with self-driving systems that work, and who do serious f…

How does one take into account lack of maintenance by the end user in a strict 100% liability situation?

This problem should be solvable in software. The car can simply refuse to operate in a situation where maintenance is required.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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No, the different strategies are that Tesla has a vehicle actually being used by hundreds of thousands of people and is slowly incrementally improving their self driving with massive amounts of feedback and data, while these demo companies are doing if statements around the block.

> while these demo companies are doing if statements around the block. [citation needed] I only ever see Tesla fanbase making outrageous claims like this without any supporting evidence.

Well, you are ignoring the point. The whole differentiating strategy between Tesla and everyone else is the incrementally improvement of large amounts of vehicles versus the magic “hey, we came out of nowhere and now just drive ourselves”. This has been repeated though out tech history and the incrementally improving real life one always wins.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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"Today we are opening up our driverless cars in San Francisco to the public - I’m still surprised I can even write those words" I, uh, don't know if I like a CEO who is surprised that he's being allowed to do the thing he is doing.

A charitable interpretation is that he's pleasantly surprised the team reached a challenging milestone and they are able to deliver the product.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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You're right. Perhaps they simply announced this post company-wide, so lots of happy employees are here.

By this point you're just repeatedly making insinuations about shillage and astroturfing which is in the guidelines as a thing to not do.

The motivations for my comment was seeing well-meaning comments being downvoted for no apparent reason. On the other end of the spectrum, and perhaps more importantly, someone claiming the car is so safe that they jumped out in front of it without the driver noticing, and it stopped safely. Does that, to you, seem like a responsible thing to post, even assuming it were true?

As for the breaking of rules, dang has commented, and I’ll take responsibility for my actions.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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I'm not interested in cars I can't own. This idea that we'll turn cars into some kind of service and convert roads into places filled with company-owned vehicles is completely foreign. At that point it'd be cheaper to have self-driving buses and subways. I can only think this viewpoint comes from people who have only ever lived in cities where car ownership is inconvenient given the lack of personal garages. At the m…

I always assumed that cruise technology is behind self driving functionality like "super cruise" (https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/super-cruise), if only because of the name and based on the fact that gm owns cruise. Can anyone clarify?

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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This headline may technically be correct, but it sure does suggest a bit more than what's being offered. "We're opening a sign-up page on our site"?? And (below [1]) Kyle mentions geofences?

How much of the public plans rides in advance, for a limited service area, via the web? I want to hear when these services finally have the capability and capacity to match the experience of Uber and Lyft: get a ride when and wherever you need one.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30169708

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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My conclusion from years of self-driving, LIDAR, etc. research is that managing medium to heavy precipitation reliably might be impossible. Visual algorithms run into the same problem as human brains, and the size of e.g. rain drops interferes with the frequencies employed by radio techniques. Is anyone aware of any strategies that give us hope in solving this problem?

Though ... how good a job are humans actually doing in heavy precipitation? I know that under normal circumstances our brains constantly do a bunch of work to create the illusion of a comprehensive high res visual field even though we really only have detail at the fovea. When it's raining heavily, and we think we can see "enough" to drive ... are we right? Or are we just lucky and pedestrians and cyclists are more l…

Agreed - I think the "but can it drive in a whiteout blizzard" question is best redirected to: "can a human?"

I suspect there are operating conditions the AVs won't solve acceptably - some of those conditions IMO are also conditions where we should not accept a human to solve acceptably. In general I feel we have a lackadaisical culture around driving that encourages/excuses unsafe behavior, and is overoptimistic about people's ability to drive well.

Re: Cruise is opening driverless cars to the public in San Francisco

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Based on this image: https://images.ctfassets.net/95kuvdv8zn1v/6h1C7lPC79OLOlddEE... They and their VC backers are clearly betting on the concept that radars + lidar + imaging will be the ultimate successful solution in full self driving cars, as a completely opposite design and engineering philosophy from Tesla attempting to do "full self driving" with camera sensors and categorical rejection of lidar. It is interes…

Cruise CEO here. Our strategy has been to solve the challenges needed to operate driverless robotaxis on a well-equipped vehicle, then aggressively drive the cost down. Many OEMs are doing this in reverse order. They're trying to squeeze orders of magnitude of performance gains out of really low-cost hardware. Today it's unclear what strategy will win. In a few years our next generation of low-cost compute and sensin…

Tesla limited themselves to cameras because Musk said “humans can do it with two eyes”. He also didn’t like the look of LiDAR on cars. Such an idiotic decision. Good to see Cruise is not lead by a mega-maniacal CEO.
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