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#322Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…
> The only question really then is how fast do we want the unvaccinated to do the getting antibodies by getting COVID thing. The faster they get it, the faster we can be as done with COVID as we are ever going to be.
No, there's one other question - how much of our limited health resources do we want to allocate to people still refusing to get vaccinated.
In all fairness, I think they should be allocated proportionately. If 20% of a region's population is unvaccinated, and there's a bed shortage, they should get ~20% of hospital beds.
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Not to mention all of the vaccine injuries that do exist but are rarely reported on. Source?
Consider for a moment that the "antivaxxers" are correct, that there is enormous bias in our medical, pharmaceutical, and media establishments in favor of vaccine safety. Could you really expect a reliable source on the subject if this were the case? What proportion of people are willing to speak out and risk career and social suicide for being labeled an "antivaxxer"? It is a self reinforcing chilling effect - few p…
A massive global coverup of the vaccine being bad, or conspiracy theorists using facebook to spread their narrative.
Re: Pfizer board member suggests end to mask, vaccine mandates
#324Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…
I agree - I am worried about taking hospital capacity claims at face value though. From what I've seen, it was common for hospitals to report being overwhelmed even during flu seasons pre-covid. I wouldn't classify that level of 'overwhelmed' worthy of mandates upon society. I don't doubt that during these periods of time hospital resources are strained in some way, but there's a difference between this routine level…
There are operations research PhD's who use decades of aggregate demand data in dynamic pricing algorithms for the purpose of revenue and queue management in perishable services, e.g. software for pricing of airline seats, rental cars and hotel rooms.
In countries with universal healthcare, price cannot be used for queue management, but the US isn't one of those countries. Did any hospital use queue management software to adjust pricing as a mechanism for demand throttling, due to limited capacity in 2020-2021?
In any case, if supply-vs-demand is both a policy driver and metric of intervention performance, we need public, detailed hospital capacity data for analysis and optimization of net societal costs vs benefits. Utilization of space and skills is eminently quantifiable and software already exists for demand mgmt.
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#325I'm vaccinated and boostered by my own choice. My problem with mandates is where does it end? Why this mandate and not other mandates? Who gets to decide that?
>Why this mandate and not other mandates?
i don't know about the US, but where i live there are actual vaccination mandates for diseases like polio and measles. you cannot go to school if you don't have the mandatory vaccines.
covid vaccines are just another one that you need to take.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
Encouraging natural immunity is asking for hospitals to get filled up by people giving themselves covid on purpose. This affects non covid patients too. I suspect that's why the media doesn't do it.
That's also why many governments do not accept proof of recovery in lieu of proof of vaccination. Those who do have vaccine-skeptic people catching the virus intentionally and risking death. https://globalnews.ca/news/8524409/hana-horka-czech-singer-c...
So there playing the I am ignoring it or lying about it for your benefit card like Fauci about masks early on?
It was a while ago that the CDC estimated recovered COVID numbers to bre around 146 million. It is more like over 200 million at this point with overlap of vaccinated people.
I am sick of being ignored of having recovered, and people making the excuse that if they let us know how good natural immunity is, or even talk about it, the idiots will go out and get COVID. I don't want a nanny state, or police state for that matter. The WHO and a lot of the world are at odds with the CDC especially on masking and boosting of under 12 year-olds.
Besides boosting one after the other may be weakening the immune system [1]. It makes sense. It raises antibodies, but wanes quickly. Natural immunity lives in B- and T-cell long-term memory of the immune system. SARS-COV1 recovered are still testing strong for immunity for over 18 years now.
I am getting repetitive, but let's address obesity, diabetes, poor lifestyle choices, and their kind before mandating anyone's personal health choices or shaming them for their decisions. If I call out obesity it is fat shaming..., but go ahead and lump the recovered in with the unvaccinated and try and shame and steer the course of our lives with mandates and policing.
[1] https://newsrescue.com/covid-boosters-could-weaken-immune-sy...
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's aggravating is all the "feel good" policies that fly in the face of the current state of the pandemic. We have gotten to the point where numerous officials have said something along the lines of "vaccines won't protect you against getting Omicron, masks don't really do anything either". So you think. Ok, we have gotten to the point where these measures are ineffective, so lets do away with the measures. And th…
The good news is if you pay the $100 for TSA Pre-Check, you won't have to take your mask off to clear the checkpoint.
That is not true. They require you to remove your mask to verify your face for a few seconds, other than that you put it back on.
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#329Something from the NYT mailing list yesterday: > The Covid vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing serious illness. If you’re vaccinated, your chances of getting severely sick are extremely low. Even among people 65 and older, the combination of the vaccines’ effectiveness and the Omicron variant’s relative mildness means that Covid now appears to present less danger than a normal flu. > For the unvaccinated,…
> If a region has sufficient hospital capacity that it would not be overwhelmed by the increase in COVID cases among the unvaccinated go ahead and lift most restrictions.
This is basically the reasoning used in Ireland; the hospitals weren't overwhelmed as Omicron peaked in the first week or so of January, so overnight we went from really quite restricted to all restrictions except mask requirements gone. Over 95% of Irish adults are vaccinated, so this isn't a trick that will work everywhere, but... for now it seems to be going okay.