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Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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I see that many are fixed on tips, but I found it quite shocking to read about long queues of people on the Christmas day and people quitting on the Christmas Eve. In many European cities, the streets are completely empty and almost all shops (maybe a local supermarket would open from 10:00 till 14:00 on a Christmas day after being closed for the Eve) are closed both on the Christmas Eve and the Christmas day.

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Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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That's just a commission on a sale. It's the similar, but not the same. When I buy a house, there isn't an amount tacked on to pay the agent, that comes out of the sale price.* Unless you're saying real estate agents are expecting tips now. That's messed up. *Now, there are a bunch of other hidden fees and closing costs associated with a house to where you just need X% of the cost of a house in just to handle that bu…

It’s not twice as much work to sell a $2 million house as a $1 million house. Why does it cost twice as much in real estate agent fees?

In this case, so?

Like I said, you're not being charged anything there. It comes out of the purchase price.

It's the agent who is listing the house at a price and sourcing the various inspectors and appraisers. They're putting in the work to sell your house at a price point.

So, if the agent can manage to move your house for $2 million rather than $1 million, why shouldn't they get a larger reward?

It's a different scenario from servers. Servers can't convince you to pay more for an item or for the business to sell that item for less. Real estate agents can.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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I naively thought the whole point of the market was to effectively route resources to where they are most in demand and allow innovation from the ground up where it's needed without central planning

I think that is the idea, but it doesn't work in practice because, well people. Really useful electronics are harder to get or have been hard to get, but yet if I wanted to buy my daughter a twerking llama toy, I'd have no issue with acquiring one of those. A little more meaningful example, we grow pistachios (a water intensive crop), in a place with limited access to water (desert areas of California) and have been doing that for years and years. Seems like if the market just naturally achieved efficiency, you'd grow water intensive crops in places that were not constrained on the resource.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Ironically some expensive restaurants in the states add “gratuity” (like a service charge) to the bill and do not rely on tipping. This ensures their hard to recruit staff (sommeliers, skilled wait staff, etc…) can be paid enough to keep working there.

I've only ever seen this policy applied to large parties, and it's below the standard tip percentage anyway.

Go to cities like Seattle or San Francisco. You’ll frequently find places with an 18% or 20% service charge regardless of party size or even a no tips policy.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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I hate the tipping culture in the West (as opposed to places like Japan, where there is almost no tipping at all) mostly because the tip was initially meant as an exception for service above expectation, not as a regular component of the pricing. From my perspective even regular service deserves no tip, I expect to be charged for the service and tip only for exceeding expectations, but it does not work that way for a…

My first night in Tokyo with a group of friends, we had an amazing multi-hour meal with loads of drinks and generally catching up. We knew we didn't have to, but we tipped generously by American standards. We got chased into the street by two of the waiters and had a large argument with neither side wanting to take the tip money. I assumed tips would be "not expected, but quietly accepted" which turned out to be not…

I can understand why this is the case. There are no social norms for accepting tips. How do you split it? What do you do if other servers ask what you did with the money? It would be shameful to accept this if the social norms prohibit any sort of tipping.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Indeed. The part about getting your income on an ATM card with mandatory fees no matter what you do seems like the best anecdotal example of how fucked things are for the little guy these days.

Keep in mind that the majority of money these days goes through credit card processors that take a percentage off the top. Not saying they don't provide a service for the money, but it doesn't seem that different.

It's very different. The credit card companies are offering credit! And they handle chargebacks! It's not just a bank transfer.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Former politician who focused on labor joins the workforce and learns the real truth THEN chastises customers for not tipping in the conclusion of his article? Yes, he talks about the tough conditions of the job and customer behavior and other things, but nothing about how MAYBE legislation should change for wages (hourly service workers relying on tips in the US actually make well below the hourly minimum wage). Sor…

Supposedly he should know the ins and outs of labor law, yet he struggles to provide any applicable analysis how to solve the problems.

Obviously low pay is the biggest one, but things like lack of breaks to go to the toilet is something very solevable.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Um, way to be incredibly classist. "If you can't afford to support someone else, why are you treating yourself to a luxury of any kind?" Everyone needs luxuries sometimes. The solution to tipped employees not getting enough money is not to bully people who can't comfortably afford higher tips out of going out; it's to a) encourage unionization, b) eliminate the separate "tipped minimum wage", and c) raise the minimum…

What's sort of funny is the concern about tipped workers is also classist. Tipped workers in restaurants do pretty well, at least in contrast to their hourly counterparts in the back of the house. College educated people often take front of house jobs during college so they empathize with the front of house workers, but the front of house makes considerably more than the back and has far better working conditions. St…

While there may very well be a higher proportion of college students in front-of-house jobs, the idea that that's the majority of such people is similar to the idea that minimum-wage jobs in general are "for teenagers", and thus shouldn't need to provide a living wage.

They all need better pay, but tipped minimum wage being lower is a further travesty (even with the provision that they have to take home at least minimum wage at the end of each day), regardless of what percentage of college students make up that workforce.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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That's just a commission on a sale. It's the similar, but not the same. When I buy a house, there isn't an amount tacked on to pay the agent, that comes out of the sale price.* Unless you're saying real estate agents are expecting tips now. That's messed up. *Now, there are a bunch of other hidden fees and closing costs associated with a house to where you just need X% of the cost of a house in just to handle that bu…

It’s not twice as much work to sell a $2 million house as a $1 million house. Why does it cost twice as much in real estate agent fees?

For the buyer it also badly misaligns incentives. A buyer's real estate agent is financially better off finding the most expensive property their client is willing to buy rather than the cheapest property that suits the client's needs.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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I knew multiple classmates who were working substantial hours because their families needed the extra income, and that was when wages were better than they are now. Anything close to real work should pay real wages because otherwise you’re screwing the most desperate at the expense of the more affluent kids who can afford to walk away.

> Anything close to real work should pay real wages because otherwise you’re screwing the most desperate at the expense of the more affluent kids who can afford to walk away. That isn't how wages work. If someone can do the same job for less, they will and you will not get paid. You can raise the minimum but then you make everything more expensive (the people who build the tractors get more, the guy driving the tract…

> You can raise the minimum but then you make everything more expensive

Considering minimum wage in the US hasn't been raised in 10 years I should be paying 2010 prices.

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