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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by usrusr »

glofish wrote: post #179
janeroe wrote: post #171

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> families are at each other's throats for that bushel of corn one guys grandfather stole from the other fifty years ago, random shit gets stolen, the garden is trampled, trash is thrown over your yard because the neighbor wants to "save" on trash collection fees, people cut ahead of you around in the queues If this is supposed to be the description of Kazakhstan, I haven't seen a post with more bullshit in my life.…

My sentiment is not about Kazakhstan in particular, It is about the rich westerner's naive gushing when visiting African, Eastern European, Central American remote villages etc "Everybody is so nice and generous around here ... not like back home in the civilized world" They confuse how people treat them in particular with what it is like living there.

One possible explanation for the pattern of generous hospitality in poor countries I find quite interesting (I'm sure it's only one component of many in the motivational environment) is that hosting the traveler from afar is the closest thing they can do to traveling themselves.

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Post by VictorPath »

fivea wrote: post #72
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #18

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Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance. It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.

> It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another. I don't believe your comparison is even remotely adequate. Could you point out an example of a NATO member requesting a military intervention from another NATO member in their own country to respond to protests? Because what we're seeing here is a blatant attempt by Russia to preserve Kazakhstan's regime by having foreign armed forces intervene against the na…

> Could you point out an example of a NATO member requesting a military intervention from another NATO member in their own country to respond to protests?

The US militarily intervened in Europe 75 years ago and has bases in Germany, Italy etc. No need to have military come in for the first time since it is still there.

Italy had NATO violently suppressing protests in Italy for years with Gladio.

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Post by anticodon »

SassyThrowaway wrote: post #168
sinyug wrote: post #156

It is always a surreal experience to see the sheer scale at which western media outlets deploy propaganda and rewrite history. Attempts to overthrow governments in Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan are "protests." So are attacks on the residence of the President of Kazakhstan with rifles and grenades, and burning down the office of the mayor of Almaty.[1] The same outlets described the mild violence by a congregation of…

In another tab I have a Meduza article open listing how the rhetorics of President of Kazakhstan has shifted from using words like "a demonstration" to "an international terrorist group". Assuming that Meduza's compilation is accurate, and if Kazakhstan keeps redefining the narrative, what is so strange about many foreign media outlets not keeping up with that?

Meduza is a rusophobic media with 100% foreign funding that was created with one sole purpose: disseminate Western propaganda in Russian population.

It's in every their article. It's a trashcan of the worst and dumbest pro-West propaganda, I don't know how any sane person would refer to it.

It's not a journalism, they don't even have journalists. They're producing anti-Russian fake news.

BTW, even that they do poorly, I know people that unsubscribed from Meduza because they're tired from it's paranoid rusophobic hatred.

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Post by adolph »

codebolt wrote: post #117
adolph wrote: post #58

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I’ve read this note about Kazakhstan and BTC a couple of times now but I havnt seen any documentation for the claim. For a crypto novice, what would be a method for validating this claim? BTC and other crypto seem to gravitate toward less expensive energy sources, yet require a substantial capital investment. Is crypto an emerging method for dictators to expropriate wealth? Are there going to be “blood bits” similar…

I took the 22% figure from an article that referenced an overview produced by the University of Cambridge, available here: https://ccaf.io/cbeci/mining_map I see now that their most recent figure has changed to 18.1%. The electrical power figure was then calculated based on the total global power consumption published in the Bitcoin Energy Consumption Index: https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption/

> ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity)

It looks like Kazakh total energy consumption is 861 Kwh [0] and total elecricity is 104 TWh. Is it realistic for 43% of a country's electricity to be going to Bitcoin? If that were true, what sort of infrastructure would be developed? Datacenters colocated with coal plants?

Over less than a year, Kazakh average monthly hashrate share went from 5% to 18%, increase of >260%. Given 2020 utilization of 104 Kwh with 12.5 Kwh going to Btc ((5/18)45=12.5), then current (no pun intended) utilization with 18% hashrate share would be 136 Kwh (104+45-((5/18)45)). Is it reasonable for a country to increase electric generating capacity by 30% to support bitcoin?

  Oct'20: 4.77%
  Nov'20: 5.35%
  Dec'20: 6.17%
  Jan'21: 6.71%
  Feb'21: 7.65%
  Mar'21: 8.19%
  Apr'21: 7.37%
  May'21: 8.80%
  Jun'21: 13.79%
  Jul'21: 18.10%
0. https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/kazakhstan

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Post by adolph »

Maxious wrote: post #113
adolph wrote: post #58

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I’ve read this note about Kazakhstan and BTC a couple of times now but I havnt seen any documentation for the claim. For a crypto novice, what would be a method for validating this claim? BTC and other crypto seem to gravitate toward less expensive energy sources, yet require a substantial capital investment. Is crypto an emerging method for dictators to expropriate wealth? Are there going to be “blood bits” similar…

The newest documentation is when the internet got turned off for Kazakhstan, the hash rates of mining pools went down. Alot. https://twitter.com/lawmaster/status/1478764142957846531

If Chinese crypto is being IP-washed through Kazakhstan as a sibling comment speculates, would that cause external pressure for Kazakhstan to re-enable Internet?

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Post by anticodon »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #204
anticodon wrote: post #184

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> And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies? Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin? It was clearly a jab at Russia. Kazakhstan was/is clearly under heavy western influence. > Think about it: Russia i…

>If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies? This is false. Kazakhstan retains most oil revenues and its joint ventures with foreign companies for oil exploration and drilling include not just Western, but also for example Chinese companies. >Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin? Because he saw clearly how Putin…

> Otherwise, Russia itself wouldn't have stamped out the Latin script and forced those minority languages, already few in number, to use Cyrillic in the 2000s.

What languages are you talking about?

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

thejackgoode wrote: post #89
patrec wrote: post #85

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> you don’t want to be on the opposite side of this treatment. How high is the risk, if you make an effort to behave well?

Low, but it’s quite a skill. Referenced here “bald and bankrupt” is an expert in “behaving well”, I am still amazed by his skills to be honest

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldAndBaldrDossier/comments/judnlm...

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Post by PeterisP »

Rd6n6 wrote: post #166

What actually happened? Is it so hard to give an overview of the situation near the start before jumping into the newest, most dramatic aspects?

My very rough interpretation of the last few days is as follows:

Economic events (including increase of gas prices) triggered local social unrest, which the government attempted to suppress and failed as it escalated and resulted in at least some breakdown of government power (some police refusing to suppress protesters and joining them, protesters seizing government buildings and setting them on fire, looting of weapons from police stations, etc). The local military seems largely not involved (but there are some cases) and apparently it's not expected to be fully loyal to the leadership if asked to suppress revolts.

After that ruler offered a back down on the changes and a rotation of the government, but the protesters apparently want a full change of leadership. This was not acceptable to the leadership, who invited neighbouring militaries to support them against the revolt, which can be used more freely/reliably than local army.

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #59
cmod wrote: post #37

My own experience in Kazakhstan a few years ago was amazing — kind, generous people. I had the most surreal (but standard) Russian Bath experience: sitting with a bunch of naked folks as they self-flog with branches in rooms so hot you needed wool caps to keep the top of your head from singeing. When I was getting dressed a huge guy next to me said something in Russian, I was certain I had committed some bath faux pa…

There's a really interesting video blogger called "bald and bankrupt" on YouTube who visits all sorts of weird and wonderful locations in Russia and former Soviet Union States: https://www.youtube.com/c/baldandbankrupt/featured Doesn't look like he's been to Kazakhstan yet though...

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldAndBaldrDossier/comments/judnlm...

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Post by sofixa »

anticodon wrote: post #191
janeroe wrote: post #175

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-- "buffer state" bullshit brought to you since 1939 -- Do they still need Finland as a "buffer state" [1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Winter war was successful in a sense that it moved Soviet-Finnish border away from Leningrad. A few months later when Germany attacked USSR and Finland joined it, that extra space saved Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) from total destruction.

> A few months later when Germany attacked USSR and Finland joined it, that extra space saved Leningrad (now St. Petersburg) from total destruction.

Yes and no. Had the Winter war not happened, Finland wouldn't have joined the German attack.

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