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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by vintermann »

NoOn3 wrote: post #53
dandanua wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No no no, it's all the war between US and Russia, people are just dust, they can only be manipulated! /s (this is what every russian bot is saying)

You're right about something. But civil and peaceful protests cannot be so well organized and take place so quickly and occupy so many significant places. It looks too organized and therefore suspicious. Perhaps people are dissatisfied with the authorities and living conditions, but perhaps someone is trying to use the protests to their advantage and manage them.

The US does that sort of thing, in general. But so far, the US hasn't been terribly subtle about it. Usually when the US government wants to get rid of a government, you'll know it (if you pay attention). Where are the "National Endowment for Democracy"-funded front groups? Where's the immediate condemnation of the couped leader?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by lobocinza »

solarhoma wrote: post #153
MathCodeLove wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not interested one way or another but if you're going to make claims this extreme the least you can do is provide a link to the evidence yourself. Let's leave making unsubstantiated, outrageous statements to the other social media platforms that do it best.

These are just a few posts digging into his past. There are plenty more to research as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/internetdrama/comments/d4zo17/1_mil... https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldAndBaldrDossier/comments/judnlm...

Most of the URLs of that thread are broken including Archive.org.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anticodon »

fivea wrote: post #57
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

> And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power.

If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies?

Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin? It was clearly a jab at Russia.

Kazakhstan was/is clearly under heavy western influence.

> Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the EU. Not Switzerland. No, Russia.

What will US do if in case of civil unrest in Mexico, Russia will send troops to Mexico?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by janeroe »

mlindner wrote: post #78
sausageman wrote: post #49

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I went to school with a young kazak person I don't want to reveal to much about them, but let me just say this. Their parents had direct contact to the state and they were unaccountably rich went to an insanely expensive private school and owned various apartments all across Europe. The west DOES benefit from the corruption related to those states.

A couple of rich oligarchs playing around with their money in the west doesn't benefit the western economy much. The money they spend is nothing compared to the economies of those western countries. The ones who benefit from the corruption are the ones who have access to the tax stream.

> A couple of rich oligarchs playing around with their money in the west doesn't benefit the western economy much.

They don't have to, benefiting just the right people is enough. Schröder & friends say hi.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by vanusa »

jcfrei wrote: post #114
snickerer wrote: post #22

I traveled many post-Soviet countries in the past years with my old camping car. My personal impressions in Kazakhstan were frightening. A deeply corrupt state, much worse than Russia. Aggressive armed bandits in police uniform tried to rob me several times. Kazakhstan is true mafia state where every part of the regime tries to enrich itself at the expanse of the people. In contrast to the rich oil elite there are th…

It's certainly not "backed by the west". These dictatorships exists because they allow the elites to exchange the profits from the sale of natural resources in exchange for dollars and euros. That money then flows into western equities, bonds and real estate. It's the (western) dependence on these natural resources that enables the regimes not the backing by the governments.

It's certainly not "backed by the west".

This characterization is simply naive.

True, it's not like the western powers are shouting their support from the rooftops. But they are more than happy to play ball with these regimes (including high-level military cooperation and lucrative trade agreements) as long as it it doesn't get, you know, "too" embarrassing for them to do so.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by LaunchAway1 »

SXX wrote: post #151
cookieswumchorr wrote: post #141

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it's tolerated by the west. The most effective way to punish regimes would be to: - take away (arrest, freeze, whatever) the elite's real estate in the west - same thing with other assets, banc accounts etc - ban them from living in the west or going to the west on vacation, for medical treatment. - ban their families from living in the west, their kids from studying there. this is not my idea, you will find similar…

This. So much of this. Most of the money that disctatorship regimes steal out of their countries are actually invested into western countries by their family members, friends and their pet oligarchs. US, EU and UK profit from oppressive regimes and don't have any interest of actually hurting them. And why should they? They have their own people to think of.

Cuba and Iran have been under sanctions for a long time. Dictators are very interested in not losing their jobs. I think, from the comfort of my home, that there are two paths out of a dictatorship: one is military and involves a brutal invasion of the country with the willingness to stay there for decades, the other is a progressive improvement of life conditions and gentle external influence

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by siva7 »

poilcn wrote: post #178
siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

They don't ask to bring troops to fight on the streets. The help could be in the form of putting security checkpoints and guarding critical infrastructure, constructions. Which would release military and police forces currently occupied by these tasks to fight the marauders and other criminals. There is no "protest" at this point.

Alright, the civilian protesters are now “criminals” who are getting shot down by government forces. I guess these “terrorists” deserve what they get. Thanks for enlightening me.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by jessaustin »

ericmay wrote: post #108
mlindner wrote: post #44

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> Kazakh elite keeps its money in western banks, flies western planes to western capitals and owns land and property in top western locations. Same for Russian elite. So does the Russian elite as you say, even Putin himself. The US's currency is the reserve currency of the world and the currency most commerce is done in so western banks are used. They also are much more stable than banks in their own countries where…

Don’t bother wasting your time. These trolls just want to make you hate yourself and your country. Of course it’s your fault comrade, if you didn’t buy caviar from Russia then they wouldn’t have to invade Ukraine to feed the workers who make the caviar. It’s always your fault nobody else’s. The goal with these sorts of comments is to try and get liberal democracies to stop engaging in the rest of the world. If you ke…

Is there some sense in which this is not a "conspiracy theory"?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by anticodon »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #164
major505 wrote: post #150

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Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

This is such a cold war mindset that I have trouble believing that it is actually still the case. It seems overly simplistic.

It is not. If it wouldn't be true, why then US incessantly unleashes "revolutions" in all countries around Russia? Why US invests millions of dollars into rusophobic propaganda in all countries bordering Russia? Why US attempts to build military bases in all the countries that border Russia?

If it's all just a "cold war mindset".

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