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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by gnull » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #10

sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

The fuel prices caused protests in one region. The others joined in solidarity. But after seeing how much support the protests have, more people started joining and the protest became political, demanding to change the regime.

In Almaty, the protests got violent with killings and mass looting. A few other cities saw looting and destruction of ex-president's statues, but most of Kazakhstan was peaceful, including the place where the original gas-price protests started. The violence part does not represent the sentiment of the majority, I would bet, it's something organized; I don't know by whom and for what reason.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by MathCodeLove » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:40 PM UTC

kingofkyiv wrote: post #99

thejackgoode wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low, but it’s quite a skill. Referenced here “bald and bankrupt” is an expert in “behaving well”, I am still amazed by his skills to be honest

That is only on camera. He has been kicked off almost every other platform except YouTube. Visa, Uber, PayPal among others all kicked him off. Off camera he has been exposed as a debased sexual predator. Anyone interested can find the whole drama exposing him by searching reddit, his name, and similar terms to what I discussed.

I'm not interested one way or another but if you're going to make claims this extreme the least you can do is provide a link to the evidence yourself. Let's leave making unsubstantiated, outrageous statements to the other social media platforms that do it best.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sedan_baklazhan » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #43

Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. Russia is sending paratroopers because they don't want another Ukraine situation. They don't want Kazakhstan to break away from Russia because of a popular uprising like Ukraine did. And it's a lot easier for them to prevent it than it was for Ukraine because Ukraine doesn't border Europe so the west won't protest it as much. I expect a whole l…

One government has a complete soverreign right to ask another government to assist in a terrorist attack situation. That is as simple as it goes.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by awb » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

How are articles like this relevant on HN?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

This is all over TV news.

I get that it’s newsworthy, but it’s Reddit newsworthy not HN newsworthy. What am I missing?

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by gnull » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:41 PM UTC

sAbakumoff wrote: post #16

ilaksh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

Based on what independent media report, my understanding is the same. Protests began after 2x gas prices surge. Local law enforcement was not able and/or was not willing to quell protesters. The president of Kazakstan claimed that protests are "terrorist attacks that sponsored and organized by foreign actors" and asked Putin and co. for military help.

Yes, the "foreign actors" part is an obvious lie to justify the Russia's help.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by q1w2 » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

mlindner wrote: post #50

throwaway4good wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, given the US-Russia conflict over Ukraine, this conflict is awfully well-timed for the US.

There isn't a US-Russia conflict over Ukraine. US had no part of Ukraine's uprising. Late in the Trump presidency long after issues had settled, the US started getting involved with selling supplies.

This is very much untrue. The US began getting involved Ukraine the moment Russia began sowing discontent and violence in Ukraine - as early as 2012.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/us-ukraine-security-...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-to...

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/18/788874844/how-u-s-military-ai...

...and I won't get into the donations from Ukraine to the Clinton Foundation at the same time.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sedan_baklazhan » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:42 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #10

sAbakumoff wrote: post #2

I was born in Kazakhstan. In the 90s, after the USSR fell apart, we witnessed an incredible rise of nationalism that resulted in anti-Russian sentiment. So, like many other families, we escaped Kazakhstan in the late 90s. Now..The Russian army is sent to quell deadly unrest. If the Kazakhstan army joins protesters, it could end up with a full-scale war between Russian "invaders" and "patriots" driven by the same nati…

Maybe you can help me here. My reading of the situation is that it was an attempted revolution against a dictator after he made a devastating unilateral decision to raise prices for a critical fuel. Am I missing something?

THe prices were still very low. And the decision was almost immediately reversed. Any economical problem can't justify violent uprising with takeover of an airport and decapitating of police officers, etc. etc. Never.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by sedan_baklazhan » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:43 PM UTC

ralmidani wrote: post #42

wheelerof4te wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a hint: Stop causing color revolutions in other coutries, that in turn create a power vacuum, which leads to chaos and anarchy. Seriously, that is not hard. What makes you think FSA are "moderate" headchopers and how are they any better than Assad? Just because they have "Free" in the name? Such naive thinking.

Aside from the ISIS excuse, the other tired cliche is that it’s all a US conspiracy. Addressed in another comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29822573

It is a conspiracy theory to imply that US does not change regimes, indeed.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by culebron21 » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:44 PM UTC

siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan asked CSTO contries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Org...) to do that, whether we like this or not (I don't). So that's nothing bizzare, and 3000 Russian paratroopers (plus 1000 from other conutries) don't make such a huge country a puppet state.

P.S. So funny, you complain you don't get the logic, and I get downvoted for explaining it, rather than calling names.

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Post by slapeel » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 2:44 PM UTC

Guessnotgauss wrote: post #115

formerly_proven wrote: post #101

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It's kinda funny to see Chomsky make that point, considering he tolerates totally-not-genocides as long as the perpetrators are politically aligned with his views (or so he thinks).

I guess this is just taking the bait, but Noam Chomsky has never accepted any genocide as ok or rational. Stop with the poorly constrcuted strawman.

You're technically correct (AFAIK); genocide denial is not genocide apologia. But boy what a hair to split...

To those who aren't aware, Noam Chomsky vehemently denied Pol Pot's mass murder of millions in Cambodia.