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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by Isinlor »

Guessnotgauss wrote: post #95
radmuzom wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. This kind of nonsense comments appear whenever there are people with positive comments on China or Russia. I guess my top level comment on this thread will be one of the "Russia-patriot" ones. For the record, I am an Indian living in Malaysia - I simply choose to read proper sources and be informed of geopolitical events rather than parrot US…

Yeah its ok to be suspicious of these type of comments, we already know nation states do everything they can to make sure they have the proper PR optics. The US, especially China (genocide), and why not Russia too. The truth is self evident here, Kazak leadership is just another neo-colonial muppet for whoever is calling the shots on natural resources. These are not Slavs and no they dont belong to Russia in any sens…

Slavic people do not belong to Russia in any sense either. Certainly I do not.

Even Russian speakers do not always want to associated themselves with Russia.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by torginus »

thejackgoode wrote: post #89
patrec wrote: post #85

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> you don’t want to be on the opposite side of this treatment. How high is the risk, if you make an effort to behave well?

Low, but it’s quite a skill. Referenced here “bald and bankrupt” is an expert in “behaving well”, I am still amazed by his skills to be honest

Other than the accusations that the other poster made (which I've heard as well), I wouldn't consider him a model expat. First, he essentially speaks Cave Russian (Morning! Taxi how much?) despite living there for decades.

The other more concerning thing, is this clueless chipper tourist act he does constantly - many times, I've seen him interview desperate, bitter, destitute people who lived in derelict former industrial centers of the USSR, telling stories of how their towns were the centers of industry, culture, activity - only for the factories to shut down, the opportunities disappear, the buildings turn to slums, and the only escape that remained was drinking.

And he just grills them question after question - and grins like a five year old at his first time at the zoo. It made me think something is very wrong with that man.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by Xyloform »

siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

major505 wrote: post #150
fivea wrote: post #57

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> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

This is such a cold war mindset that I have trouble believing that it is actually still the case. It seems overly simplistic.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by siva7 »

Xyloform wrote: post #163
siva7 wrote: post #87

Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

NATO doesn’t have any obligation to “help” break down civilian protests by sending out paratroopers from one of its members to another member state so no it’s not similar.

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Post by vintermann »

HatchedLake721 wrote: post #18
brnt wrote: post #11

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It's very weird to see the President argue 'foreign interests' spark the unrest, and then promptly invites a foreign army to quell it. Who's falling for that?

Foreign army in this context is just using a treaty you signed with an ally to request assistance. It’s as “foreign” as any NATO country’s army to another.

I'm not a fan of NATO, but usually they are a bit more subtle than inviting each other to quell each other's rebellions.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by SassyThrowaway »

sinyug wrote: post #156

It is always a surreal experience to see the sheer scale at which western media outlets deploy propaganda and rewrite history. Attempts to overthrow governments in Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan are "protests." So are attacks on the residence of the President of Kazakhstan with rifles and grenades, and burning down the office of the mayor of Almaty.[1] The same outlets described the mild violence by a congregation of…

In another tab I have a Meduza article open listing how the rhetorics of President of Kazakhstan has shifted from using words like "a demonstration" to "an international terrorist group". Assuming that Meduza's compilation is accurate, and if Kazakhstan keeps redefining the narrative, what is so strange about many foreign media outlets not keeping up with that?

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

whimsicalism wrote: post #158
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #130

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>start living there, all of a sudden that generosity is not so obvious, families are at each other's throats for that bushel of corn one guys grandfather stole from the other fifty years ago, random shit gets stolen, the garden is trampled, trash is thrown over your yard because the neighbor wants to "save" on trash collection fees, people cut ahead of you around in the queues, So basically all the same petty BS that…

Yeah, my Berkeley neighbor has been on my case for that bushel of corn for the last two decades

I'm sure if you borrowed some power tool and half broke it he'd be more than happy to call the city on you every time you violate one of the million rules for the next few decades. Of course nobody is fighting over corn but there is no shortage of fairly obvious parallels.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Post by zenkat »

major505 wrote: post #150
fivea wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But why is such a dysfunctional dictatorship so stable? (...) I believe the answer is: it is backed by the West because a stable dictator in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan guarantees the oil flow. And yet, it's Russia and it's strong-arm tactics that are desperately trying to keep Kazakhstan's regime in power. Think about it: Russia is even sending it's paratroopers to Kazakhstan to stomp out unrest. Not the US. Not the…

Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

Which is exactly what is happening in Ukraine now. Their attempts to align with NATO have Putin freaking out, with much saber-rattling & troop movement.
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